A venture does not have to be about money, it can be about anything.
Nobody is destroying what you believe in, I'm simply saying that
a public forum is not the place to actively promote any
organisation constantly, profit or not.

You might be against live exports, but thousands of farmers depend
on the trade to feed their families. The industry is finally
putting together a comprehensive website, to defend itself
against the many false allegations, made by various animal libber
groups. When its finally available to the public, do you want
me to promote that, as much as your promote your group? Thats
exacty how wars start on discussion forums.

If you want to promote your group, you are free to use the
advertising space, just like other advertisers.

Well, theres a fine example of why we should post under nicknames.

Antje, Are your fabricated versions of matters supported by your entire organisation and all associated with you? Or does posting in the name of an organisation only serve to possibly bring them discredit?

Why are you not posting under your own name if you feel so strongly about this?

I have now seen that this same theft of ids is happening all over the forum. Lucky they were not using real names.

This is a post by Antje on another thread for those that havent seen it.

"AQIS and DPI will be after Graham if you keep posting such rubbish. Not fair on him and another good reason for real names so peoples claims can be accountable.
When I told them this nonesense was on a political public forum under the code name Yabby they were unimpressed to say the least."

Just tell us again why you want real names on this forum Antje??

So you can 'dob' on people you dont agree with and cause them trouble? With attitudes like yours on the forum it would never be safe to use real names.

Yabby and PF?

I didnt ask for this name, I asked OLO if I could post again. "Me" Antje Struthmann.

This is what they sent me.


Your comment PF about AQIS and DPI and my so called dobbing- Are you seruious- The man put it all over a political forum. All over Googles.

Do you think members of the public wont be all over that?

I also speak quite regually to these Animal Welfare authorities as a normal part of my life.

Good Heavens what if it had been true?

Are you suggesting that you would have left it.

Are you saying that it is wrong to make sure the laws at abattoirs are followed.?

Really how interesting- and disturbing-and disappointing.

Under Australian Laws both State and Federal it is an offence not to use some sort of pre stunning- either Stun Gun [If Halal] or bolt if our own.

The Abattoir Yabby told everybody that"not so long ago' were slitting throats without prior stunning closed for the last time well over thirteen years ago. It closed the first time in 1986.

It doesnt even exsist anymore.

Yup people need to be made accountable for what they post and the truth starts with true identities.

All Yabbies posts on live exports are away with the faires too.

Yes I know they are on other sites Yabby however they have been shown up five times now on 60 minutes for goodness sake these people.


If you start out with a lie it only gets bigger as you build upon it.
You would understand that surley PF

Also please understand that I have a right to do with my life what I wish.
If I wish to work towards improving Animal Welfare thats my business.

Also I say to the both of you of course I am aware that people do kill animals in the bush.

RSPCA require far more people as well but they dont have the funds.

There is much to be done.

Really Robert this thread just seems more of the same to me- Attacking me now

Antje Struthmann

Try and justify it anyway you like Antje if it will make your own actions a little easier to live with.

Your words have done nothing the change the view from here.

Antje, as a bystander to the discussions between yourself, Yabby and PF you seem to be fairly well in there on the attacking front.

I'm not going to try and do the parent working out a "who started it" debate.

If you want bystanders to support the view that you are being attacked then stop commenting on Yabby and PF, stick to the animal welfare issues and see how it goes. You should all have some common ground, an interest in animal well being.

Yabby and PF disagree with you on aspects of that, accept that and look for the parts that there is scope to work with.

Seek understanding of the issues driving the farmers choices and work on strategies that consumers can you to make which help protect animal welfare
- How do I as a consumer know how much attention to pay to a free range label on farm products?
- What can we do to make slaughtering livestock in this country more economically attractive than shipping them across the world. Is there a change that I can make to my shopping habits that tips the balance in favour of local use?

If PALE's reputation is an issue then do your bit to ensure that you are not putting them up as a target, the issues can probably be discussed without mentioning PALE and hopefully it is the issues that matter.

I hope those suggestions help, I'd rather see us all move past this squabling and start to come up with some useful learnings.

R0bert