I said I would only post here once.

However due to the nature of the above post I felt I should try to set the record straight.
GrahamY said I could post so long as I did not pick fights. I never have and I hope he wont see my trying to defend myself or the organization I work with as doing so.

I also am sick of Wendy not defending herself publicly.

I will probably get into trouble for this from Wendy but I can no longer keep quiet

Perhaps I should have done that from the start

This is Antje Struthmann posting not whom I think you are suggesting.

As for your pointing this in our direction I can say that nobody has contacted you from this organization either by phone or email for months since lawyers stepped in.

Considering the situation I am amazed that you have again tried to mislead the public.

As for your continued accusations I can only say you did request the letter from Animals Australia- "both the one you! wrote to them" and "their reply" put up on our web site.


If you had not sent it how else would I have had it? Come on now be honest for once.

It was a letter you! wrote to Animals Australia - right? And their reply! back to you right?

Then please everybody its about time you all looked at this fairly.

How would I have got it if you had not! sent it? Ah?

That established why then would you have sent it here?

Is it not true that you were very angry with what you considered to be a snub and an insult from Animals Australia

Wasnt that! why you sent it up in the first place?

Didnt you feel so angry with what you called their double standards.

You were down right furious that they didnt say yes! you are a good farmer and a good free range farmer deserves Animals Australias open public support.
That they didnt say- what can we do to help you.
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That they didnt say-would you like to be featured in one of our magazines?

That they didnt say -could we come to your farm for an interview and take some pictures and write a story on you and your farm.

I happen to agree with you that you were treated badly by them.

I also scream from the roof top about these double standards. All good free range farmers should be supported by all Animal Welfare groups and the Government. Sadly they are not. Sadly our organization is the only one really pushing for this and also to have come up with good alternatives.

When it was explained to you that was not possible it was put up on our web page you were then told about OLO the forum.
That is! how you heard about Grahams OLO. I have the email here to prove it.

As I understood it by your request I put it up. You said you could not do it yourself because of the DPI and that they had already written to you complaining that your web site for your business looked a bit too like an animal libber.

Come on now tell the truth. Isnt that why you didnt want to post it yourself?
I put it to you that thats what you said.

If you had a link to your business I certainly did not notice it.

Likewise surely as well had you not wanted anybody to have it you should have not sent it. Why was it there in the first place when you sent it to the office?

As for your theory that the truth is not important well I think it is. Which is why everybody agrees all posters should have to supply their real names.
Your darn right people will track you down if you
say something that you need to be held accountable for.

If these OLO Forums are to taken seriously they should operate the same as any newspaper
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*Robert many people get phone calls and visits from collectors.
You dont need to be on a forum to get that. Your argument is weak against the argument of victims of mischief and gossip.

Real Names hurt nobody. This reminds me there was some question as to Scouts posts. Do you know if Scout is perhaps posting under another name. As you were close I was interested to hear what you thought about that?

Re Ozgirl
I would like to say it is another argument for real names and some payment.
You cant have the cake and eat it too.

Celivia We all agree on one thing You would be missed on OLO. However it is up to you what you do. We cant support your idea of allowing people to post in fake names. It leads to irresponsible posting and mischief making. Graham Y is right when he points out if you speak publicly there is a good chance of people knowing who you are. I think its only fair the do.

After having said that we all got to know Ozgirl as a bit of a dag with a naughty attitude but a big heart. If you read all her threads its based on caring for others.
More than what I can say for some.
You all know the others were using bodgies as well.
Again if you want to clear that up then real names and a fee will do the job.
If I were GrahamY I would close this thread an introduce real names and a fee.
Why should he or anybody spend hours with this childish rubbish for nothing. Its really insulting and an abuse of a free service which goes to another theory of mine.
People do not appreciate anything if its free. Make them pay something and they respect it.
Thats how we work with our adoption small animals as well.
It will work for Graham should he introduce it.
Graham you will find most will pay a fee after they lick their wounds
They might even respect it more.
Good Luck.

Antje,"You all know the others were using bodgies as well." - I've not seen any evidence of most of us using multiple aliases or trying to cheat the OLO rules.

I doubt that being forced to pay would increase the respect for the site, I suspect that for many they would demand more of the site as a paying user.

As was pointed out elsewhere many would not get started if it needed an upfront fee. I've done one donation and will do more in the future if I stay around so the fee thing is not a core objection personally. Some of us really want our privacy because of our circumstances.

I've not made a final decision but doubt that I would continue posting if doing so compromised my safety, I value these forums a lot but when you deal with the family law systems and CSA there are some risks just not worth taking.

R0bert

Antje, I think the real problem is that you are trying to use
this forum as a constant advertising medium for your Pale
venture.

I thought the idea of the forum was not as an advertising medium,
but as a place for people to rationally discuss ideas and
concepts about Australian political, economic and social
issues. For that they need free expression, sometimes
even from their employers.

If you keep your constant plugging of Pale off these boards,
then there would be no need for anyone to criticise it.
No need for threats of lawsuits either, to intimidate
others.

Why not come on here in good faith, have your 5s worth
of say like the rest of us? People can draw their
own conclusions, based on your ability to reason.

Yabby
It is not a venture.

Again I will tell you. Its a NFP organisation working in conjunction with RSPCA on our ban live exports Campaign.

Of course I am trying to educate the public about Animal Welfare.

Of course a public forum is a good place to do it.

I moved from outside Canberra to QLD to help run the RSPCA QLD and PALE Ban Live Export Campaign.

If you are bored or not interested you do not have to post on the subject.
I do not get any more posts than anybody else so why are you and your friend complaining

I still say real names are very important to stop malicious posts that would otherwise not exist.

I love all Animals Yabby and if I can improve even one of their lives why dont you let me to do my work.

I know you do not agree on the Live Export issue but fair go there is no need to try to destroy everything I personally believe in.