Still waiting for protests..the longest and loudest and most involved protestations will say it all..even the short and sweetest qualify do.

Ozgirl from where I sit has been subject to a campaign of villification and spite.

I mean it has been very funny to sit back and watch all the self righteous crap.Some raved on more than others, and the biggest protestors it was noted have multiple ids and do not post under there real names as they say they do...could prove it so dont go there Id advise.

So the old saying 'pple who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones' is very relevant here .

It is interesting to note how selfrighteous the pple who inhabit this forum have been..except for one surprising exception
and that one person knows whos who they are and I do believe the biggest hypocrite has promoted himself/herself as beyond reproach,a pillar of society, and dare I say it' christian'..and that is not a reference to management in any way..but a poster, yes.

Cilia
I did not know you had told Wendy you could not join pale because of your family situation.
Also PF and everybody I did not come back on this forum as PALE.
I asked Graham if I could post for myself to deal with something put to me about Kangaroos.

I was not happy about being given the tag you see at the bottom. Not because I am not proud of the alternative to live export work but because Wendy has other issues.
I do as a person expect to be able to express myself without PF or you Cilia telling me I should not mention any organization I so feel fit. It is that I took exception to and still do.

I did not answer your question about pigs PF after you called Mike he asked just to stick to live exports for peace sake. Wendy has not posted on this forum for a very long time yet you still keep having a go to destroy her organization.

Her work is the only alternative to live exports. Yes many others scream about it but wont even think about helping the farmers find better ways. How hypocritical is that. PF is correct there.

Yabby I welcome the web page and find it fantastic. By the way the last poll showed 97 percent of The last three Senate enquires recommended that it be closed immediately.
I wont be posting on OLO anymore because the Tag at the bottom that I did not ask for is creating further problems,
also because there are no people truly interested in Animal Welfare.

Cilia, Wendy asked me to tell you Ozgirl did write to you she was informed. Cilia I don’t like people with one foot in each camp. Wendy shared some emails with me from you opposite to your public post
Pf idea of questions is really good but sadly too late . its not possible as Wendy Was banned and she would be the one to answer questions.
You have all done a huge dis service to the animals

Mrs Antje Struthmann

Antje,
I have received nothing from OzGirl. If she did send something, I did not receive it.

Emails opposite my public post?
Thanks for letting me know that Wendy is sharing my emails with others (I will send no further emails).
I think that this is probably an email I wrote before I saw a different side to using PALE as a means to educate people on an open forum.
So it is possible that I am seeing things differently than I did when I wrote that email.
Even so- I did change my angle in favour of PALE (my point is “protection” of PALE) and not as a criticism of PALE.

I still think that you and Wendy are misunderstanding me.
In principle, I am not opposed to the idea of PALE sharing their knowledge on a forum. In principle this is a good idea.

The only reason why I said that PALE should discuss the issues rather than the organisation is because in hindsight, PALE is, in my opinion, now in more trouble than it has been before posting on OLO. Honestly, if you could turn the clock back to a time before you started discussing PALE on OLO, would you make the same decision with the knowledge of what happened to PALE on OLO?

No matter whose fault it is, the fact is that exposing an organisation for open discussion can make that organisation vulnerable to criticism.
If you do not mind that this happens, or if you think that PALE really thrive here on OLO, then there’s no problem.

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"Wendy shared some emails with me from you opposite to your public post"

Dont let in worry Celivia, I for one know how those 'shared' emails get elaborated upon :) I certainly havent taken their claim seriously.

No No No Cilia.

I meant I was aware you were encouraging her to ignore the others and stick to to alternative for live exports which is exclusive to pale working with HKM and AFIC.

You were the one person who kept encouraging her to stick to pale and ignore the other comments.

So it was a shock to me to see you say- Dont talk about PALE
I do express myself differently to you perhaps but I have not read your private emails and that is not what I meant.

The real problem here that I understand is nobody has bothered to read the PALE HKM project so they do not understand its a one of.

Nobody else is doing this. The others just tell everybody not to eat meat . Or they run around saying ban Live Exports" Which means to me Slaughter in Australia. As soon as you try to talk to that lot about assisting farmers to slaughter in Australia they Go crazy.

I certainly did not think by my asking Graham If I could post as Me Antje it would have stirred up all this trouble for Wendy Again.

It is unfair and I feel terrible. After all ask yourselves this. What is her crime.
She works hard to improve animal welfare.
This is done for no fee but pure love of animals.
I am proud to know such a person and I dont care what any nasty person wishes to try to claim. If anybody knows this person its me.

PF under The Circumstances I strongly urge you not to comment on Wendy or PALE.
If you choose to ignore that then its up to yourself.
Look back at all your posts and ask yourself this.
Dont you see a constant attack on her organisation and her as a person.
I do. Others yet to look at this will also.

OG absolutely did Cilia, they , the 2 of them, were never returned to her so they were received by you, she told me this.