pale it was once true! once so very long ago you had to be in a union, not now.
Not in fact for so many years , oh yes a hand full of idiots still try it on but how could you think it still is so?
And you must understand enterprise bargaining ,the very thing Howard murdered, killed such demarcation disputes as its not my job.
Now back to the threads title * unions a difference exists*
It always has always will be so.
It is my personal view that men such as Bill Shorten and the man who will replace him as head of the Australian Workers Union, AWU, are the leaders of the trade unions of the future.
I do not live in the past ,at best your view of unions is 30 years old.
Never will I except bad actions of bad bosses never will I except worker damaging actions of extremist unions.
This includes some trade unions but you can not ignore the fact workchoices was planned by bosses unions that are extremists too.
BD you are too cute, in another post here you ask me to gather some of my biggest blokes and get down and dirty with you and an idiot enemy of working Australians.
Let me tell you I never started a fight in my life but never walked away from one that just had to be fought.
Mugs and Thugs run last leave our new poster to say what he likes and debate him/her keep in mind BD only the letter T separates a Wit from A Twit

BOBBIECEE.. standover tactics by empoyers are just as bad as those of unions.
Evil is evil no matter which side of the employment fence you are on.

I think our best resort ultimately is good legislation which
a) has teeth.
b) is resourced sufficiently

The "political" thing to do seems to say all the right things, "We need a department which will CLAMP down on unscrupulous people" etc etc..
but the crunch comes when they form the 'dept' with one bloke and a secretary and they receive a hundred complaints a day.. i.e. it may as well not be there.

There is another approach. We can seek to build a society which lives by values such as Christ taught. Then we would have less need to constantly battle it out with greedy people.

More emphasis on PRAYER and less on POWER. More persuasion, and less pressure. More politeness and less politics.

David Me Mate.
I like you but PLEASE dont encourage more PRAYERS. More PRO ACTIVE involvment please and less prayer.
More production and less prayer. More produce and less prayer.
More please of anything and less prayer.
I am sick of their mumbo jumbo raising funds to pop out and say a bloody prayer AND get paid for it from public donations given to help people in trouble.
Polish to floor board paint the house fix some fences plough chop wood cook a meal while the tired old lady or who ever takes a break.
Do something practicle and less PRAYER!
God now we will have unions breaking six times a day for prayers if we dont watch out.
Yep heres one for the unions. I am willing to bet you a shilling on the side as time goes by because others stop to prayer several times a day the old unions will come up with ITS UNFAIR SO WHY DONT WE ALL STOP Guess who they will demand pay for it?
Cheers Buddy.
PS I like you best when you dont quote the bible.
We all know its there but to me its a personal thing. I reckon its something you might want to read quitely in your own time and home if your in the mood.
Just my thoughts buddy.

The thread ends, they always do once they leave the front page, with evidence personal views need no facts to support them for many of us.
Pale you turn on even Dave who has stuck by you every step of your rant.
While I once shared the belief I only had to ask God and my future was taken care of I think DB has his rights to be what he wants to be.
But table this true honest storey as evidence we need no God.
A child of 11 years broke his arm, his then tiny church prayed that God would fix it for 3 days before taking him to hospital.
Yes faith is often miss placed and while I am aware some will never understand unions are not always wrong, bosses are not always right.
And before Howard's evil workchoices both boss and unions could go to arbitration to resolve issues.
Be brave pale and DB hold your selves and your views accountable after Kevin Rudd installs a system of balance and fairness to both sides in Australian IR just re read your posts and understand we are living in a time of change and heading for a better way.

Belly
I was not turning on David because he one of the real people. He belives in god not organised money making people.
My comments- if they offended him were not meant to.
I was simply giving church Leaders heaps and they deserve it.
David is a step above most of those.
You say Rudd will be fair and honest. Even if that were true what about his staff Belly/ A man is only as good as his staff and helpers.
They are the same people Belly. We have tried to deal with labour for years Belly. You must remember they run more than half of the states anyway. That gives us a peak at their skills.
Ok Lets take a look at Jack Lake Kyms advisor shall we?
Or if you like Burnie and Gavern- althought i think Gavern was leaving wasnt he?
Mate you try to give them a policy winner. They say Hey yeh this sounds good- lets get together. Then they dont show up. Kevin invited us to meet with him at the AWB enquiry time. I never bothered. I will give him a chance to prove he is really the leader you say Belly by contacting his office on tuesday. However so far as I am concerned when a shadow minister of trade fails to disclose something he knows very well is in the media spot light and public interest I cant see him suddenly changing if PM.
Perhaps he would be even more arrogant.
What bothers me far more about him is something HE HIMSELF said.
he said-
` "I understand these things we used to have a beef farm"

No Mr Rudd you dont and unless we get a new PM who does we are all in deep trouble.

What appears to be overlooked is what is constitutionally appropriate!

On 27-5-2007 the 40th anniversary of the Aboriginal DOOMSDAY of the holding of the 1967 referendum I published

INSPECTOR-RIKATI® on IR WorkChoices Legislation (Book-CD)
A Book about the Validity of the High Courts 14-11-2006 Decision
ISBN 978-0-9751760-6-1

This book dissect the judgment and how the judges of the High Court of Australia basically swindled us.

WorkChoices was unconstitutional and they knew it or ought to have known it but gave it a spin.
My book sets this out in greater detail.
Sure, it also expose how a union was setting up for a strike in the 1980, as I use their own computer records to expose this, but as like with everything else, you got the good and the bad and the ugly.
You have got darn good coppers (no just the once who are dead) and you got also many rotten.
You got good companies who provide after sale service and you got rotten ones.
You got good landlords and bad ones
And on and on it goes, including with unions.

Check the High Court judgment and try to find reference to “CIVIL RIGHTS”, “FACTORY LAW” “State based contracts” and you will find the judges kept it out of their judgment, either accidentally or deliberately as had they included it the so called WorkChoices legislation would have to have been declared unconstitutional.

See also my website http://www.schorel-hlavka.com

If I were in power today, I would simply make clear that WorkChoices is unconstitutional!
Neither Kevin-Rudd or John-Howard are right about it.
Kevin-Rudd’s reported intentions also ignore the limits of constitutional powers and as such is going to add to it all.

In my view, a AWA based on State laws (such as in WA) are constitutionally valid provided they are conforming with State laws! Federal based AWA’s are generally, but not all unconstitutional. For example for shipping they are valid, nothing to do with Subsection 51(xx) as the Commonwealth of Australia had constitutional powers since federation to cover waterside workers!
And there is a lot more to this constitutional nightmare!