pale LABOR PARTY, LABOUR MOVEMENT just how it is spelled my posts are not about how good I think I am.
I hope they are about the thread title unions a difference exists.
A new poster tells me we should concentrate on bad unions not the good?
No not ever my intention.
I understand some workers are more trouble than they are worth.
I have an understanding some unions can not function without war fare.
I know with 100% certainty some bosses are just as bad as the worst unions.
I know the Anzac holiday or any public holiday pale is NOT YOUR PROPERTY! you have NO RIGHT to demand a worker on such a day must attend the march.
Workers can be your greatest asset but they are not your property.
The trade union movement post this sham government will be a changing different one than the past movement.
It will again have rights but the very best will use those rights with care and understanding.
Those who do not will fall, yes fail to continue to exist, even under Labor.
The Australian workforce is not radical.
Australia needs unions to think without them fairness and equity in the workplace could survive is foolish.
But now today a difference exists, pale you have never once separated your hate for unions into good and bad I will not debate the bad only but never step back from reality some idiots exist.

No body gets out of bed in the morning wishing their staff does not turn up to work.

Nobody gets out of bed wishing some low life in their staff steals.

Nobody has a biz that does not rely on good staff. A boss needs staff.

Nobody goes out of their way to upset staff because good staff are hard to get.

Good staff are treated like pure Gold.

Yup I am sure their are some rotters too. However there are plenty ofjobs so just leave and find another job. Simple.

I can comment on Anzac day if I like. Considering I am the bunny paying for hundreds to have Anzac day I reckon its fair I get a say "too".
See there you go again.
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Your all the same bully bully bully

You are saying for everyone to read - *I* MUST pay the wages of hundreds of people for Anzac day but I CANT have a say that I think its only reasonable those people attend a march?

No nothings changed your post is clear evidence of that!

Your mate Rudd cant even talk to Peter Beattie- one of his own!

The silly stwirp has put adds in papers etc to talk to Peter that way.
Now remember they are both on the same team= .

Then you tell me they are ready to run the country. I told you before they couldnt run a chook raffle.

Belly
Another thing. Dont worry about my spelling. I do that when i am rushed and cross. I understand someone has put a feather in your cap and offered you a meeting regarding your work with a small part to be played in one paricular union.
I understand you are not a bad person and that you want to help the types that cant or wont speak out for themselves.
I note you did not answer me about the bus drivers all been given a day off to go door knocking.
I am just wondering if you know what Rudd has agreed to.
Why on earth should I pay my staff to door knock for Rudd?
Not to mention our public transport sytem is in a big enough mess already.
No you dont reply to me regarding this crazy proposal of your friends.
Good God they even want us to pay nurses wages to door knock for them.
Did you even know about this?
I am not paying for a bunch of bus drivers to go door knocking
Second thoughts if they got in I would be wouldnt I.
I think I would have to leave the country.

What about the idea of getting all the meals on wheels people to badger our elderly with their scare tactics. Thats a discrace but no comment from you belly.
So you approve of Bus drivers and nurses being sent out to door knock at the countries expense do you.
Scarey Stuff.

Why is it an insult to refer to the (then) 16-year old kid?
He knocked on the gate and asked for a job telling me he just arrived in the country and never had worked with machinery, only with sheep. I explained if he passed a test I would hire him. I gave him a ruler and asked what was 1 inch. He showed it to me and I explained he was hired as the rest we would teach him.
Some of the workers immediately protested telling me the kid knew nothing and I explained that the better that was as then he had no bad habits either and it was up to them to make sure he learned it correct. Somehow I had great confidence in that kid and he proved me right as he was eager to learn and again within 6 months was better then the setter who had been doing it for 26 years!
To me, if a person asked for a job then to me they have generally the right attitude to work and that is the underlying requirement to get good workers.
Rather then to insult farm workers to the contrary my post was to compliment his ability to adapt in such excellent manner.

Sure, there can always be a worker who regardless of how good you do seek to abuse the system but you cannot blame all for the same.

In the 1960, I was living in a hotel and my earnings were too low to pay for it all, and so I asked the personal manager if the company (Cincinati) could come towards my hotel cost. They decided to contribute 50%. Ever since they did so I have applied the same understanding to workers, that if you look after your workers then generally they will look after you in return.
As I always made clear to the workers that without them I had no production and so we needed to work together. It has to work from both sides!

pale you are one of many reasons why we need unions.
Can you truly believe NO ONE WOULD TREAT HIS/HER WORKERS BADLY?
That good workers are always treated like gold?
That it is the right of a boss ,any boss, to tell a worker on ANY PUBLIC HOLIDAY HOW TO SPEND IT?
Anzac day brings true pain for so very many who we owe a great dept to.
Some of those returned service men and women have not once gone to a march, it would be painful.
You in a nothing but childlike way state they miss use the day?
Unions in my view are good and bad, some actions of some are ugly.
Some workers are good ,some great, some bad, yet you can not concede this is also true of bosses and the unions they are members of?
It sadly is true some country people , I clearly include you here.
Are unable to see the world as it is, entrenched in a self confidence that is miss placed that only they understand how things are.
I is my last post in this thread , further debate with you is pointless here you do not begine to understand fairness and equity.
Or that thoughts such as yours ,unable to focus on reality are the very reason post election conservative Australia will not rule in any state or federal arena.
And still they will blame the voters and yes unions for their own lack of understanding.

Belly, I agree with you, PALE's ranting posts have indeed shown why unions are needed. It has also shown the character, or lack of same, of half of Howard's supporters...judgmental, intolerant, hate-filled, selfish and determined to get and keep money, no matter the cost. The other half of Howard's supporters are just gullible, naive and easily conned. Unfortunately many people are concrete thinkers (not able to see the forest for the trees) and many of those don't think, just react emotionally and unpleasantly, to lies and spin. The rest of us are lateral thinkers (see the forest and the trees)and are able to see the big picture. God help Australia if Howard gets back in, the finalisation of the elected dictatorship and loss of democracy.

Gerrit, I've enjoyed your posts. They are well researched and thought out, another lateral thinker. You are so right about the illegal manipulations of the Howard government. To me it seems that even blind Freddy could see it, but sadly, many people are incapable. I've just finished reading 'Silencing Dissent.' I think you'd enjoy that book.

Like Belly, I'm not going to post anymore or even bother reading any further rantings from PALE. He has done all he can to ensure that he destroys rational debate. This is typical of the government's supporters and the Howard government. As I said previously, Howard supporters appear unable to communicate fairly, instead sinking to abusive ranting and raving. It's depressing to see so many Australians sink to that ranting and raving. There's always been a sub-culture of yobbo rednecks in Australia but to have this redneck culture become mainstream via the fascist government is even more depressing. I can only hope that there are enough Australians who have awakened and will vote for decency, humanitarianism and egalitarianism.