STAUNCH
I *knew* it.
As soon as I saw the message- Post From STAUNCH.
I knew it was *another bully* agressive U N member. Whats the matter dumb dumb- cant you speak for yourself to negotiate your own wages and working conditions.? Porr little weak you. Need your support ah. Like school bullys., No good on your own.

This country is screaming out with jobs. We have a shortage of skilled labour in case you have not noticed.

Dont you know its rude to shout at people. No of course not. You actually think its smart of course.

Dont tell me STAUNCH let me guess- You love that stupid add with the idiots shooting pics like taking kids to a carnival that was put together to appeal to empty headed morons.

What a waste of money.[ Our public money] Would you think they could say something a bit intellergent?

Umm on second thoughts I guess they know you lot would not understand.
God I hope thats the case. It would be scarey if they were actually serious.
Guess what. I am not paying you to POQ on Anzac day and not help the war widows.

Not even attend a march? Its about time we stopped these lazy disrespectful blugers.

Bad attitudes come from bad leadsership.

Fight for a job in a few years time and you MIGHT appreciate ME- The little biz man giving you! work.

Rather travel with David Anywhere chum At least he has a soul and some principle.

You still cant tell us why we cant choose if we want to be a member or not be a member.??
Oh no- Just bully bully bully the boss and bully yourselves right out of work when my smallbiz folds due to your discusting attitude that I have to crawl to you.

Migrants want work. You lot want to bludge.

Get off the dole and get a job

I bet your on the dole.

Free Country?

Not under Labour

pale who is this Russ you rant about? I have seen many red necks on my travels around this great country.
Rarely are facts able to penetrate a good rant, and you do fill the bill lady.
As I said in a post in this thread unionist vote for every party we have.
They come from city's and the smallest country towns, some are employers yes those who hire workers often think not unlike them.
In offices of some of this country's biggest firms the big boss has been a member from his early days in the workforce.
No threats, no stand over just the way he thinks.
May I invite you to research your posts first?
To consider the post before you hit the button?
To consider your own miss information first?
Any thoughts on your belief I was female?
On what basis do you place our new poster among the unemployed?
And what evidence exists to claim bludgeing?
Are insults your only debating point?
Are you aware you do your ideas no good with floods of contempt for those you do not agree with?
calm down pale please your views are minority ones.

Come pale sit down and have a cup of tea, true we need to talk, see I have gone back to the top and re read every post.
You thought bobbiecee had spoke of that English sounding Aussie lady but it was me.
You asked bobbies to expand on his thoughts on an issue he had never spoke of.
Then in the rant against staunch you claimed the UN was behind his post?
Did you want to bring the UNITED NATIONS into the debate?
Or did you get unions wrong?
Believe it or not if I can be of help just ask, my Passion for helping those in need is forever and ever this evil trade unionist has been in the SES VRA once CREST, WISEN and help is just a request away, see unionists are after all just Aussie like you.
Sorry you do not understand public holidays ,I worked for a few farmers like that.
Australian governments both state and federal of all types long ago said Anzac day was a public holiday!
And so it should be we must never forget those we owe so much to.
have that nice cuppa and read your posts mine too if you like they are in need of attention.
regards but not respect
Belly

Belly
Ok I did my block- . I appreciate your offer - really.
The UN - was short for unions.

I will ask you to explain a few things and thanks.
[1] Why cant people choose if they want to be a member or not?

Let me tell you a thing or two about facts of the past.
You might have a break down on a plant- abattoirs.

It might be something that just needed a guy to tighten it with a spanner.
They used to have a line- ' literally' in these plants and nobody was allowed to do anything to any machinary past 'that line.

If a certain person wasnt there everybody would have to stop work and sit and wait just because it was 6ft past that stupid line.

If any of the owners said for god sake somebody get that spanner and tighten the thing they would all go on strike.

There are many more examples of the irresposible leadership pushing and pushing for more and more demands until it broke the camels back.
Australia can not compete in todays world in meat markets for chilled meats and labour have control of many states.

Again Sorry I was refering to Rudd. As Shadow Minister of Trade it was his duty to report that to the public considering it was a number one topic of interest and joined at the hip with the AWB enquiry.
Anzac day is a public holiday to show respect. It is up to each one of us to sacrifise something on that day.

Why should I a small biz owner be the only one paying to show that respect.
If *I* am then my staff are going to paint war widows houses after attending the parade.[ Thats NOT up for debate]

However Belly The first question is the key- Why cant people chosse if they wish to be members or not?
Thank You.

I move that STAUNCH meet me in the carpark after :) kidding.

Stench..... that was a most odd post, which added nothing to the debate/discussion, just wasted approx 20 seconds of my LIFE while I read it. grrrr...

Now being a bloke with very limited lifespan.. (a granddaddy already) I am very territorial about the use of my precious life days and moments.
PUH-lease come up with something constructive if you are going to post here. Even destructive is ok, as long as its well reasoned, which you post was not..

I hereby place you in the corner, with a special hat with the word 'Prize Dill' written on it.
*kick*

Reading the anti-union diatribe clarifies why unions are needed as sadly, PALE'S attitude is common small business owner mentality. Sawmill owner clarifies the situation for me as my son is a forest harvester of pine plantations and has had conflict with the sawmills, who were demanding that the forest harvesters work over Christmas rather than have their usual 4 weeks rec leave. Terrible threats and harassment but all forest harvester companies agreed with my son so the 4 weeks at Christmas is still on. PALE talks about union stand-over tactics but what I've seen is employer's are the power/control stand-overs.

In re RDO's, they are supposed to be used to balance lifestyle and stress in compensation for overtime worked, to fit in with the employee's needs. My daughter's work has scrapped RDO's while increasing the workoad. My daughter's a fast and efficient worker, works through her lunch hour, but refuses to work back for free. She was pressured to work back, had to call in the Union rep who negotiated for her, the pressure is off, she goes home on time, managing stress levels and lifestyle.

I was thinking the same about the nasty power/control rant against unions. Why is it that conservative have to stoop to emotional abuse rather than engage in rational discussions. Same occurs in Parliament. IMO, the spanner example was an untruth. My son's crew does everything they're qualified to do, and assist the qualified tradesmen with spanners, etc, when appropriate. He's a good employer and gets loyalty in return.

The negative talk about Rudd is rubbish. God help this country if Rudd doesn't get in. Tax money, our money, should be spent necessary health, education and infastructure, not hoarded. Amazing how many are conned by Howard and Costello's determination to destroy all remnants of egalitarianism and humanitarianism while promoting selfishness, self-centerdness and greed.