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The US Senate Report into CIA Torture.

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Jay, I do not believe raw statistics paints a true picture of the global situation, or the situation in a particular country, be it Australia or the United States. There is nothing to prove the superiority of whites over non whites, other that economic and military superiority. The economic world war launched by Europeans even before the advent of the industrial revolution has clearly been won by Europeans and their decedents. Military superiority allowed Europeans to generally subjugate Non-Europeans, and consequently exert economic power over those mostly defeated peoples, putting the defeated non whites at a distinct disadvantage. In the case of the United States and African Americans, their ancestors were slaves, and after the civil war blacks in slave states did not regain the average living they had"enjoyed" as slaves until the 1930's, about 70 years after the war ended.
To take a white supremacists attitude is easy if you are white, and consequently on the winning side, even if you personally have not benefited all that greatly from your race winning the economic war. I would thing the poorest of American whites would still be better off than the poorest blacks.
Can you also explain the 'Hispanic' factor, certainly part European in ancestry but doing no better than blacks. that goes against the theory of white superiority, they should be well ahead of blacks not behind them.
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 15 December 2014 7:23:00 PM
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Steele,
...and now you understand the shortcomings of your worldview and the fundamentals not only of mine but that of ISIS.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 15 December 2014 7:49:39 PM
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Paul 1405,
The concept of White supremacy is something you've inserted into the conversation, I didn't say anything of the sort but again, it's obvious that majority White communities in the U.S are safer for everyone including Blacks than majority Black communities.
C'mon, now that you know where to look for information on the causes of Black poverty and social dysfunction you can start listening to Black commentators like I do, instead of stupid White and Jewish liberals..hint, it's got nothing to do with slavery and everything to do with liberal values imposed on them over the last sixty years.
Simple comparison to describe who Mexicans are:
This is what a Latina looks like:
http://mundo52.com/files/imagecache/nota_completa/paulina_rubio_0.jpg
This is what a Mestizo woman looks like:
http://z3.ifrm.com/67/29/0/p103331/10_Matis_Woman_Baby.jpg
Most Mexicans are Mestizos or Indians, Latinos are descended from Spanish settlers.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 15 December 2014 8:20:13 PM
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Indeed, you really are a sad little guy STEELIE ? I recall well, when you appointed yourself, the Grand Mufti of Islamic propaganda and the strategic apologist, for their Sharia barbarism ! Babbling on about what a wonderful addition they are to our precious Australian culture.

Pity though that you continue to be so overwhelmed by this fallacious belief of your own ridiculous 'Omnipotence' and ah, 'fearlessness'(cough!).

You're so utterly inhibited from observing what a negative influence they've been, as they continue to further dislocate the once harmonious neighbourhoods they now inundate and infect ? We'll expand upon this theory of yours, on another occasion, quite soon eh STEELIE ?

I now also see that you feel quite unrestrained in the way and manner in which you recklessly throw about the word 'coward', almost with total abandonment ?

I suppose anyone of us can say just about anything we like within reason, as we're all more or less shrouded in anonymity here on the Forum, that includes myself ? Still, I'd always exercise some caution, lest our courage or lack of courage is one day tested ? Purely by happenstance you understand ? Funny though, how some things work out eh STEELIE ?

Oh before I forget ...You've NEVER served in the Australian Military ? Nor served in any function that's either defended nor 'value added' to our precious way of life either ? In fact, you've never defended anything have you ? Why, I believe I can guess.
Posted by o sung wu, Monday, 15 December 2014 8:49:46 PM
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Hi PAUL1405...

I've read your thread again, and I reiterate what I said back a couple of months ago - You're not worried about forthcoming with your views, both as a pacifist and from 'the left' of politics. You're honest about everything you say ? Therefore you and I will never agree on most issues ?

I do understand the depth and degree of enmity many have for the tactics and behaviour of members of the CIA. Torture, uplifting some from GITMO, taking them to a country who willingly engage in wholesale torture and giving them over to these brutes ? I get it !

Considering the events of 9/11 for a moment ? Without using these awful, but (seemingly) necessary torture methods, how can they extract the info. they desperately require from these people, particularly in an all out attempt to prevent further 9/11's ?

Accordingly, I would ask you this question, and would prefer you treat it as a legitimate enquiry if you will please ? I'm just trying to understand how an individual with your principles and moral code, would handle such a dilemma ?

For your further enlightenment; myself personally, I would use torture provided all other methods and means had been thoroughly exhausted beforehand. Therefore, I'm a brute a coward, and patently weird !
Posted by o sung wu, Monday, 15 December 2014 9:16:28 PM
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O Sung,
Steele is already a Dhimmi, he's capitulated even before any pressure was put upon us, this is why we have the ridiculous spectacle of Trotskyites and Anarchists defending the building of Mosques and prayer halls.

There's an interactive torture scene in the now notorious video game Grand Theft Auto 5, it's quite brilliant in it's portrayal of "enhanced interrogation"
http://www.twinfinite.net/2013/09/27/gta-v-and-torture/

"The line that stuck out most to me in this whole mission was as Trevor is pulling into the airport and stating, “Torture’s for the torturer. Or the guy giving the orders to the torturer. You torture for the good times – we should all admit that. It’s useless as a means of getting information!” After struggling to get through the level, the final little jab of the knife to the heart was Trevor and K’s back and forth on the way to the airport. Trevor insisting that K has no home and no family to go back to, perfect encapsulates our reality. Once you are detained, taken, and tortured, you lose any identity you had. If you are one of the bad guys, there’s no way you would be released back into the world. If you’re an innocent person who just happened to have the wrong name or the wrong nationality, you’ll forever have that black mark next to your name."
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 15 December 2014 9:51:27 PM
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