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The US Senate Report into CIA Torture.
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Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Friday, 12 December 2014 2:36:15 PM
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david f,
Maybe you are telling porkies to protect the Greens. Here is Bob Brown desperately trying to contain an conceal the Greens Watermelon faction, http://tinyurl.com/watermelon-greens Here too, see in particular the comments on the NSW Greens Watermelons, and many more media reports in the if you like, http://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2014/february/1391173200/guy-rundle/future-greens Posted by onthebeach, Friday, 12 December 2014 2:44:36 PM
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Dear Jay of Melbourne,
Thank you for that. I think Faurisson is a doubtful source, but the others seem quite credible. I agree with your statement that torture is not to gain information. It is to make people say what the torturer wants them to say. Posted by david f, Friday, 12 December 2014 2:44:45 PM
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Dear onthebeach,
I was not telling porkies. What I said about my experience with the Greens is what I witnessed. There certainly may be people with many agendas in the Greens. Bob Brown has had problems with them. However, I have not met anyone with the Queensland Greens expressing views like those you mentioned. I have never heard Israel or any other foreign policy issue discussed except for the issue of the asylum seekers. I had never heard the term, watermelons, for some Greens until you mentioned it. Posted by david f, Friday, 12 December 2014 3:07:23 PM
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david f, "torture is not to gain information"
Nonsense. It works too, and most parents would soon demonstrate the efficacy if offered the opportunity to put a size 10 into the groin of their child's kidnapper to encourage him to divulge the kid's hiding place. Criminals lie, that is the problem. So all admissions, voluntary (yeah, right!) and otherwise have to be checked anyhow. Posted by onthebeach, Friday, 12 December 2014 3:14:24 PM
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Hi DAVID F...
I too think the Greens would do a reasonably good job protecting our natural environment, our flora and fauna. Where they seem to drift into the more bizarre areas, is amongst the other political decision making that's nothing to do with our environment ? I've listened to Ms Hanson-Young, and some of the things she says concerning immigration and Detention, is just plain 'loopy' ? In fact she's so far out, I believe she's an embarrassment to the whole Green movement ? Posted by o sung wu, Friday, 12 December 2014 4:10:44 PM
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You can assume that the Australian interrogators on Manus Island and in Hong Kong in 1945-51 tortured Japanese war crimes suspects as well, as I said, torture is used to get someone to say what you want them to say, not to get them to tell you something you don't know.
The Japanese soldiers got a bit of a break though, in the end they were charged and tried under the Australian military laws which were applicable during the period of hostilities in New Guinea and although some 150 Japanese prisoners were hanged most were paroled in the 1950's
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/fact-sheets/fs61.aspx