Of course, back to topic now that the bogus progressive narrative on this topic has been put to bed.
The U.S government under Bush the younger and now "The One" have shown themselves to be weak and lily livered when it comes to dealing with terrorists, there was a time when such people were executed and their corpses hung in public gibbets to remind other people of what the state would do to murderers.
Yes, as Whites living the Liberal lie we're supposed to be better than that but we needn't be, our enemies aren't impressed by tolerance and mercy, it only makes them stronger.

Good evening to you ONTHEBEACH...

Speaking in part of the growing influence of those from 'the left', the academic critics, the various Socialist 'Peaceniks' groups, and the many other minority groups who seek amicable and non-violent solutions to many of the world's more intractably violent problems ! Often by 'turning the other cheek' and seeking further protracted negotiations ?

It reminded me of a quote, often attributed to Winston CHURCHILL, or some claim, the inimitable Geo. ORWELL, I really don't know who ?

Anyway it goes along the following lines thus '...We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm...' ?

It really does remind me of those brave souls who have the courage, fortitude, and the insight to occasion violence upon those who seek to do extreme violence upon us and our community. Without these brave men and women, where would we be ? Think about it, those who would dare to denounce and criticise these honourable men and women !

Just a few thoughts to broaden the discussion:

Christopher Marlowe wrote:

"...Accursed be he that first invented war,
They knew not, ah, they knew not simple men,
How they were hit by pelting cannon shot,
Stand staggering like a quivering aspen leaf."
(Tamburlaine the Great. Act 2, Sc.iv.)

And John Dryden said it equally well in,
Alexander's Feast:

"War, he sung, is toil and trouble;
Honour but an empty bubble.
Never ending, still begining,
Fighting still, and still destroying,
If all the world be worth the winning,
Think, oh think, it worth enjoying."

The Canberra Times back in 1986 told us that -

"...The average person can expect to give up three
to four years of his or her life working to foot
the arms bill, while ever more people suffer from
illiteracy, ill health and chronic hunger..."

We need new ways of thinking to cope
with the nuclear age. It is here that writers, with
their concern for the human condition and their
special skills with language, can enable us to imagine
the horrific reality of nuclear arms and nerve us to
build an alternative future.

About two years ago I was talking to a German teacher who had written a book about a German WW2 parachute regiment. He interviewed many of those who survived the war. The conversation at one stage turned to the Gestapo and their activities. What he told me was the ordinary German soldier regarded members of the 'Feared Gestapo' with disdain seeing them as cowards who only confronted those who were captive and disarmed, never venturing too far toward the real fighting.

In our modern conflicts the CIA is rightly condemned of using torture in black sites and killing via drones rather than gathering on the ground intelligence.

The sadistic prison guards, both from the Axis and the Allies, generally were given their that particular line of work because they were often deemed unsuitable for the front.

Any sense of torturers as brave is completely delusional and patently false. It definitely takes a certain type of person to inflict extreme pain and suffering against a helpless human being and a degree of cowardliness and sadism is often part of the mix. Abu Ghrahib is a case in point.

Dear o sung wu,

While there are certainly those on this thread who have lauded and applauded these cowards and their evil work I'm a little unclear if you are one of them.

From my understanding Churchill was expressly against violent methods of extracting information, a point raised by Obama when addressing the Bush era practices.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2009/05/ruthless_yet_humane.html

When you say;

“Without these brave men and women, where would we be ? Think about it, those who would dare to denounce and criticise these honourable men and women !”

Are you talking about the torturers?

Let me spell this out for you.

The man deemed most responsible for the so called 'enhanced interrogation techniques' (read torture) policy of the Bush era was Dick Cheney. This will tell you a little about the man;

“When Cheney became eligible for the draft, during the Vietnam War, he applied for and received five draft deferments. … when asked about his deferments, Cheney reportedly said, "I had other priorities in the '60s than military service".”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney

The man who has most eloquently spoken out against the torture conducted by the US is former presidential candidate Senator McCain. This will tell you something of this man;

“John McCain's capture and subsequent imprisonment began on October 26, 1967. He was flying his 23rd bombing mission over North Vietnam when his A-4E Skyhawk was shot down by a missile over Hanoi. McCain fractured both arms and a leg ejecting from the aircraft, and nearly drowned when he parachuted into Trúc Bạch Lake. Some North Vietnamese pulled him ashore, then others crushed his shoulder with a rifle butt and bayoneted him. McCain was then transported to Hanoi's main Hỏa Lò Prison, nicknamed the "Hanoi Hilton".”

“Although McCain was badly wounded, his captors refused to treat his injuries, beating and interrogating him to get information; he was given medical care only when the North Vietnamese discovered that his father was a top admiral.”

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“McCain spent six weeks in the hospital while receiving marginal care. By then having lost 50 pounds (23 kg), in a chest cast, and with his hair turned white, McCain was sent to a different camp on the outskirts of Hanoi in December 1967, into a cell with two other Americans who did not expect him to live a week. In March 1968, McCain was put into solitary confinement, where he would remain for two years.”

“In mid-1968, John S. McCain, Jr. was named commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater, and the North Vietnamese offered McCain early release because they wanted to appear merciful for propaganda purposes, and also to show other POWs that elite prisoners were willing to be treated preferentially. McCain turned down the offer; he would only accept repatriation if every man taken in before him was released as well.”

“In August 1968, a program of severe torture began on McCain. He was subjected to rope bindings and repeated beatings every two hours, at the same time as he was suffering from dysentery. Further injuries led to the beginning of a suicide attempt, stopped by guards.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#Prisoner_of_war

McCain has been steadfast in his condemnation of the US using torture saying it “stained our national honor” and that "the use of torture compromises that which most distinguishes us from our enemies, our belief that all people, even captured enemies, possess basic human rights."

So mate is it obvious that Jay of Melbourne, Hasbeen, and onthebeach cowardly support the actions of a coward.

I support the actions and stance of a brave and honourable man.

Where are you going to raise your colours?