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The US Senate Report into CIA Torture.

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You know, I often wonder what would happen if Australia was involved in another World War ? It would appear that we have so much anti-American feeling within our community, together with groups like the Greens, and the many other, 'anti this' and 'anti that' ? I wonder whether we could even raise an additional Battalion, above our regular forces strength to defend our country ?

We seem to have lost any degree of nationalism or pride, that we once had, and I don't understand why ? Surely everybody must realise we live in the best country in the universe ? And without the United States to afford us some meaningful protection, any potential enemy would crush us, in very short order !
Posted by o sung wu, Friday, 12 December 2014 1:30:12 PM
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david f,

Come off the grass, you don't get much more Trotskyist and anti-US than some associated with the 'Watermelon' Greens faction. Bob Brown had heaps of trouble with them, but you prefer to forget that inconvenient fact.

Although flakey Green leftism and anti-US sentiment run deep in the Greens anyhow.
Posted by onthebeach, Friday, 12 December 2014 1:42:01 PM
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Dear onthebeach,

I have been a Green for several years and have not witnessed any of the stuff you're accusing Greens of. You should come off it.
Posted by david f, Friday, 12 December 2014 1:57:55 PM
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Hi there DAVID F...

As a member of the Greens, have you met the indomitable Ms Sarah Hansen-Young ? The reason I ask, I find some of her more progressive and contentious views, quite interesting particularly for those held in Detention ?
Posted by o sung wu, Friday, 12 December 2014 2:15:48 PM
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David F.
How Britain tortured Nazi PoWs: The horrifying interrogation methods that belie our proud boast that we fought a clean war
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223831/How-Britain-tortured-Nazi-PoWs-The-horrifying-interrogation-methods-belie-proud-boast-fought-clean-war.html
HOW ALLIES TREATED GERMAN POWs
http://www.whale.to/b/walsh11.html
There were two U.S judicial inquiries into the treatment of suspects at the Nuremberg trials, the Simpson inquiry found that:
"[The US Simpson Inquiry Commission] reported among other things that of the 139 cases they had investigated, 137 had had their testicles permanently destroyed by kicks received from the American War Crimes Investigating Team."

Pennsylvania judge Edward L. Van Roden – member of the commission investigating the accusations by Colonel Everett who reported that Germans did not receive fair trial, wrote in his book titled “American Atrocities in Germany“:
"Our investigators would put a black hood over the accused’s head and then punch him in the face with brass knuckles, kick him, and beat him with rubber hose. Many of the German defendants had teeth knocked out. Some had their jaws broken. All but two of the Germans, in the 139 cases we investigated, had been kicked in the testicles beyond repair."

How the British Obtained the Confessions of Rudolf Höss
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p389_Faurisson.html
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Friday, 12 December 2014 2:26:28 PM
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Dear o sung wu,

I haven't met her. However, I think she has legitimate questions about asylum seekers who have been held in detention.

All members of the Greens are not above reproach. All members of any political party are not above reproach. However, since Greens are not in power nor are likely to be in power in the near future it is reasonable to assume that people join the Greens because they favour their policies and not to feather their own nests.

Statements claiming that we live in the best nation in the universe are unreasonable. I like it here. I think Australia is a great country. However, I assume other people feel that way about the countries where they live. Can't we just live here, appreciate Australia and try to make Australia as good as it can be without putting down other countries. Such statements claiming that we live in the best nation in the universe sound like "Deutschland uber alles." That sort of statement stinks.
Posted by david f, Friday, 12 December 2014 2:35:15 PM
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