Hi there JAY of MELBOURNE...

Sometimes you speak a whole lot of common sense, and brilliantly articulate how things really are !

Hi there RUNNER...

The poor ol' copper is between a rock and a hard place ? He simply can't win due to the nature of his 'Office'. JAY of MELBOURNE correctly opined, when confronted by an immediate physical assault, the best response or self-defence, 'is to run away'. He further added, (quite correctly!) police don't have that option. That is entirely accurate.

Often, there can be allegations of excessive force, police brutality etc., even indecent assault when arresting females ! It's been shown, in some instances the alleged assault claimed by the 'poor victim', never happened ? Or the alleged police perpetrator wasn't even present at the demo ?

Many of these 'professional demonstrators', adopt almost paramilitary styles of entrapment, strategies and tactics, in order to attract a massive media frenzy to aid their particular 'cause'. Employing tactics of provocation, filming every single action a copper may involve himself in, ensuring only the most glaring, and embarrassing incidences are highlighted, accentuated and re-shown, later in Court.

Attractive young women are quite adroit at ensuring compelling evidence is gained, of some unwitting, hopelessly outnumbered copper, who's inadvertently and accidentally brushed her breast, or engaged in some other 'touching' of her person.

Moreover, their 'slick' protocols ensure these 'innocent' strategies are well focused upon and witnessed by their cohorts. As well as being appropriately distorted, in order to substantiate the degree of police culpability. Usually alleging excessive force together with indecent assault. All these underhand 'tactics' are well accentuated, as I've said, both for maximum benefit of film and media !

david f

Is it your idealism or have you led a very sheltered life?

Why not state outright what you are obviously thinking?

First though you really should have a think about how you would like to be opening the gate to step past the untrained pitbull/bullArab cross to reason with and maybe kidsglove grapple with the violent drugged up, boozed feral who spends his days alternately working out, getting smashed and commiting all manner of anti-social acts, but mainly burglary of the homes of unprotected, vulnerable people, often elderly alone.

How come all workers MUST have full coverage by workplace health and safety and there is hell to pay for any lapse, no matter how small. However, when it comes to the worthy citizens who give their lives to vocational service for the community, such as police, ambulance workers, doctors and nurses in Emergency, the lunar Greens imagine it is quite OK for ferals to beat the living daylights out of them with impunity - no defence, no withdrawal of service (unthinkable!) and without any comeback for compensation from the offender/s?

Honestly david f, your probing to arrive at your snide remark about poor training of police was as subtle as a meat axe, as is your sorry Greens' attitude to authority and unreasoning support of thugs like the violent drug-dealing outlaw motorcycle gangs.

Nearly as silly as your 'impression' that police go long periods without the treat of violence against them. What about YOU go about with a bare head and light cotton as your only defence against a scrote who always has the drop on you and whose only penalty is to re-join his girlfriend in gaol, where his brutality is properly recognised by his gang status?

Remove the eye patch and mentally walk a kilometre in the shoes of a cop - someone's son, husband, dad and valued member of his community, whom all hope will return homes ta the conclusion of the shift.

Hi there DAVID F...

You're quite correct, police work (detectives I'll deal with if you don't mind) is relatively unremarkable, even pedestrian if tasked with checking long and complex documentation ? I'm not suggesting it's boring, rather 'steady as you go' ? Accuracy, attention to detail, and quite a bit of intuitiveness, conscious reasoning, and instinctiveness are all very helpful qualities for detectives !

Enquiries are a little more active, seeking witness statements, asking questions, trying to tease out the relevant 'facts in issue' ? All of which are important when attempting to establish a watertight 'Brief of Evidence'. And occasionally, downright explosive !

You're quite correct David, when you say psychological preparedness is another important tool for police (all police). *VITALLY IMPORTANT* knowing 'how to speak to people' ! Come on 'heavy' when you're seeking answers from people, usually the response is either aggressive or worse uncooperative or incommunicative, in other words, you learn zip !

'THIS IS PROBABLY THE "HARDEST" SKILL TO TEACH YOUNG COPPERS' ? They must learn to speak with people in a cooperative, and cordial manner, you don't need to be their mate ! Should the situation change ? Then you can raise 'the temperature' of your discussion, according to that change ! It's easy to 'elevate' your questioning, but darn hard to start 'HOT' and come down cool. Because you loose 'face' and 'respect' in the eyes of the person you're speaking with ! And that's not good.

Your last question is a beauty ! Indeed, where possible it's best to have woman to woman ! Remember, violent women, can be very very VIOLENT indeed!

Dear davidf,

You sir are a saint and a gem. I'm not sure how you do it but I respect enormously your capacity for moderate responses to aggressive posturing and pontificating from the usual suspects. It is a capacity I seem to have lost if indeed I can really claim to have had it in the first place.

This place has changed markedly since the early days but you have been a welcome constant and I thank you for it.

Ten pages of discussion and SteeleRedux arrives like a moth to a candle and knowing just as much.

SteeleRedux,

Posters usually show other contributors the respect of reading earlier posts and trying to be relevant. You must have been a trial back in your OLO 'salad days' as well if you did as you do now, which is to swan in, dump on posters and cheer on.

BTT

Dear onthebeach,

I usually avoid engaging with you for patently obvious reasons but on this occasion I feel duty bound.

Are you really attempting to call the last 10 pages 'discussion'?

Some of it perhaps, o sung wu was at least responding to davidf's effort to engage in a conversation but let's examine your effort. You have accused davidf of the following;

of "flakey Green leftism",

of "anti-US sentiment",

of "telling porkies",

of speaking "nonsense",

of making a "snide remark",

of having a 'sorry attitude to authority',

of having "unreasoning support of thugs",

of being 'blinkered'.

Surely the epitome of "dumping on posters".

Yet in all that time davidf has responded magnanimously and with grace which I felt moved to recognise and applaud.

You sir wouldn't know either if you fell over them and the difference is stark.

That was the reason for my post.