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The Forum > General Discussion > Is there any hope that a Christian & secular based society, can peacefully co-exist with Islam?

Is there any hope that a Christian & secular based society, can peacefully co-exist with Islam?

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Community policing should not be soft on crime. However, as shown by the Rotherham experience in the UK, where the political idealism of national government -the federal government in our case- puts migrant intakes, multiculturalism and 'diversity' ahead of the interests, quality of life and wellbeing of its own citizens, police are expected to cope with the mess of insolvable problems from importing cultures, traditions, world views and political systems that are toxic and diametrically opposed to our own (and the offenders will NOT change).

For decades, successive federal governments have boasted of setting new annual records for migrant intakes and on top of that there have been the recent influxes of economic migrants. The sheer numbers alone have limited the effectiveness of claimed migrant screening, which in any case would admit almost anyone if there wasn't a public outcry and iron-clad court evidence of serious criminality. However that has not prevented senior Mafia members from being admitted for example, and to the outspoken exasperation of Italian authorities.
Posted by onthebeach, Saturday, 15 November 2014 11:56:59 PM
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I wouldn't put the Rotherham outrage down to political idealism so much as outright corruption, the people in charge not only refused to do their duty for purely ideological reasons they also perverted the course of justice, intimidated witnesses and allegedly removed foster children from the home of people they suspected of being UKIP supporters.
Rotherham and the Progressive Narrative
http://therightstuff.biz/2014/09/06/rotherham-and-the-progressive-narrative/
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Sunday, 16 November 2014 12:16:52 AM
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Uncomfortable truth about political corruption,

<Denis MacShane: I was too much of a 'liberal leftie' and should have done more to investigate child abuse

Denis MacShane, the former Labour MP for Rotherham, has admitted that as a “Guardian reading liberal leftie” he shied away from the issue of the oppression of women in the Muslim community.
Mr MacShane, who resigned in 2012 over an expenses fraud for which he was later jailed, insisted no-one came to him with child abuse allegations during his 18 years in Parliament, but admitted he should have “burrowed into” the issue.
He told the BBC: "I think there was a culture of not wanting to rock the multicultural community boat if I may put it like that.”
Admitting he had been guilty of doing too little, he said he had been aware of the problem of cousin marriage and “the oppression of women within bits of the Muslim community in Britain” but: “Perhaps yes, as a true Guardian reader, and liberal leftie, I suppose I didn’t want to raise that too hard.”>

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11059643/Denis-MacShane-I-was-too-much-of-a-liberal-leftie-and-should-have-done-more-to-investigate-child-abuse.html
Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 16 November 2014 2:27:22 AM
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ConservativeHippie,

You once again, take on the "we are perfect" approach. Like Yuyutsu did, will then very easily target the United Nations or ignore other religious, philosophical groups or governments worldwide and what they are doing. Example:

1. Church of Scientology, raised by South Australian Senator Nick Xenophon: http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2009/11/18/xenophon-calls-probe-scientology

"Too many people, particularly in well off western countries now seem to be singling out one religion (or anything seen to be connected with it). Why? Because its the flavor of the month. Governments get points from it"

Answer: Governments do this through simplistic actions, seen on television, or a one line response from a party in opposition and this makes a few people feel better. Wow. This factor has existed in politics for both Labor and Liberal parties and also overseas - and it's increasing. It's called spin doctoring.

"An authoritative U.S. study of terrorist attacks after the invasion in 2003 contradicts the repeated denials of George Bush and Tony Blair that the war is not to blame for an upsurge in fundamentalist violence worldwide. The research is said to be the first to attempt to measure the "Iraq effect" on global terrorism.

The number killed in jihadist attacks worldwide has risen dramatically since the Iraq war began in 2003. The study compared the period between 11 September 2001 and the invasion of Iraq with the period since the invasion. The count -- excluding the Arab-Israel conflict -- shows the number of deaths due to terrorism rose from 729 to 5,420. As well as strikes in Europe, attacks have also increased in Chechnya and Kashmir since the invasion."

http://www.alternet.org/story/48620/the_war_on_terror_is_the_leading_cause_of_terrorism

This mix of "we are perfect" in the western world (and only target one element of society) and ignore the actions of others, or other issues is clearly an on-going cycle with no real solution to the problems facing the planet.
Posted by NathanJ, Sunday, 16 November 2014 10:19:18 AM
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Hi Nathan,

Any chance that you could back-date your statement that "The number killed in jihadist attacks worldwide has risen dramatically since the Iraq war began in 2003" to 9th September 2001 ?

Although that does change the locus of culpability somewhat ":)

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Sunday, 16 November 2014 10:58:38 AM
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NathanJ the number of people killed in Jihadist attacks his increased dramatically since about 632 AD, we've been in a relatively quiet period since the late 1980's.
If you recall, until the 1980's the Arab resistance to Zionism and the Atlanticist imperialism had a distinctively Socialist character, groups like Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Hezbollah and Al Qaeda only became prominent in the 80's and 90's.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Sunday, 16 November 2014 11:26:58 AM
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