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Is there any hope that a Christian & secular based society, can peacefully co-exist with Islam?
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Posted by o sung wu, Saturday, 15 November 2014 9:17:22 PM
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Josephus
Mansjunior is relying on Greenleft weekly and it's Marxist-Leninist "post colonial theory", Socialist Alliance are a cult, you can't expect them to tell the truth because they are too invested in their "We was robbed!" conspiracy theories. How the Political Left Lost its Way and Wandered into the Muslim Snakepit: The Unlearned Lessons of the Indonesian Holocaust of 1965 http://www.dogmaticslumbers.com/2013/08/13/how-the-political-left-lost-its-way-and-wandered-into-the-muslim-snakepit-the-unlearned-lessons-of-the-indonesian-holocaust-of-1965/ What happened to all the Afghan Communists? http://blogs.afp.com/english/public/.000_APP2001092599027_m.jpg Oh, and the Iranian Left wingers? http://cpgb.org.uk/assets/images/online_only/IRAN_EXECUTIONS-440px.jpg Coincidence? I think not. Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 15 November 2014 9:57:05 PM
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Hasbeen ,
No, I’m not an academic, but I’ve studied policing and have briefly worked with police in my studies. Actually, the best and brightest already have a university, and THEY are the one’s dropping out (despite their promotions) because they sometimes get bored with the mundane tasks of policing. In general, the older the cop, the lower the I.Q. and research indicates that it usually boils down to boredom, not lack of promotion. <<Any one with half a brain would have to, when some silly little girl, with a degree in criminology, who has never been within a hundred meters of any criminal, is promoted over them, & starts demanding their policing THEORY, as taught in some ivory tower be applied.>> What utter nonsense. Degree or no degree, anyone afforded a promotion has been a cop long enough to have seen worse than you’ve probably ever seen in your life. There are good reasons why those who are highly qualified are sometimes promoted over those with no tertiary qualifications. Tertiary-educated police have better problem-solving abilities, are more innovative, more flexibility, have higher emotional and social intelligence, are less authoritarian (which improves their legitimacy and public satisfaction levels), are more flexible in their belief system, more culturally and socially aware, more professional, more ethical, have a higher service standard and receive more positive job performance evaluations from their supervisors, and cope better with the demands of leadership roles. Hundreds of studies around the world support this. <<Community policing, when said silly little girls are telling experienced cops to "go easy with the Muslims...">> Obviously you haven’t a clue what community policing is. What sense is there is wasting tax payers’ dollars in having police continuously attend the same problem over and over when community policing methods can prevent it from happening in the first place? A cousin of mine, whom I caught up with tonight, is a detective at Redcliffe. I showed him your comment and he had a good chuckle at it. You have no idea of what you’re talking about. Absolutely no idea. Posted by AJ Philips, Saturday, 15 November 2014 10:20:55 PM
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A J Phillips (to another poster), "A cousin of mine, whom I caught up with tonight, is a detective at Redcliffe. I showed him your comment and he had a good chuckle at it. You have no idea of what you’re talking about. Absolutely no idea."
Is he a real detective or playing dress-up? Anyone who has ventured into Redcliffe for an overnight stay and arisen to find their car lightened considerably (if still there), wheels and bits gone, would be most surprised at the claimed community policing solution of the violence and crime there. Take QRail to the Bay after hours? You ARE kidding, right? For years the news reports have alleged 'Islander' (migrant 'tourism' via NZ?) problems in particular. The exasperated public could list the housing commission tenancies and the private rentals with interstate owners (and unscrupulous REAs churning tenants through). Are they all now employed and productive members of society, or does the problem remain with other cultural problems added? Aren't frustrated authorities relying on initiatives such as crushing hoons' cars and anti-outlawbikie gang laws in the last ditch effort to hold the thin blue line against crime? Posted by onthebeach, Saturday, 15 November 2014 11:03:23 PM
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I think some religions don't co-exist well within themselves.
I know of some devout Baptists that hate each other more than they dislike people from competing religions. There are about 40,000 recorded denominations within Christianity itself and of those the major ones differ significantly between themselves on important matters. Likewise, there is tension and extreme variation within Judaeism and the Sunni/Shi'ite friction is self-evident. That doesn't leave much scope for tolerance generally for any sectarian societies. Posted by wobbles, Saturday, 15 November 2014 11:41:38 PM
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Thank you onthebeach,
Another one who doesn't understand what community policing is and/or the impact that it's had. Not to mention problem-oriented policing, crime hot-spotting, crime partnerships and situational crime prevention measures compared to the relative failure of the traditional policing methods of rapid response, reactive arrests, preventative patrols and increasing police numbers. No, suddenly a crime problem somewhere means that nothing is working, and the increased punitiveness of society and 1000% increase in the reporting of crime by the media nowadays means that the lower crime rates of today are worse than they used to be when people turned a blind eye to much of it. There is no single greater example of the failure of traditional policing than the findings of the Fitzgerald report. Posted by AJ Philips, Saturday, 15 November 2014 11:52:00 PM
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I don't believe for a moment, anybody would 'hand on heart' declare, there are no decent, law abiding Muslims out there in the broader community, of course there are ? The trouble being, many of these moderate Muslims exist under the more ominous influence of their usually dominate partner or male family member. Often they're too intimidated or scared to speak out, or react to the horrifying behaviour of other more radical Muslim adherents !
There are some police members who are too wary, too cautious even, to confront many of these Muslim 'hard heads'. Mainly because of their numbers, and the very aggressive posture they adopt, almost challenging police to a physical confrontation ? And when you rely on a couple of younger coppers, this type of pugnacious encounter, tends to rattle them completely, even though they've been taught how to react and accommodate this type of truculent conduct ?
Notwithstanding how experienced a police member may be, it's never easy to deal with this type of provocative behaviour, particularly when they're pissed and/or under the influence of drugs ? When all you get for your trouble, is a mouthful of foul derision and mockery, more often when you're within the presence and hearing of the public !
There's no doubt, a more scholarly approach, may be better able to handle such encounters with greater ease and aplomb and together with considerable composure. But the ordinary copper with his relatively low IQ, and lack of education, is incapable to navigate themselves around such crisis, unlike our more academic and scholarly police members ? Still we must but, try !
So HASBEEN, what chance did your poor unfortunate son have, when he was cowardly battered by four foul, feral Lebanese maggots and the accompanying detritus ? Still, perhaps an academic or scientific aphorism, may've worked far more satisfactorily at that point in time ?