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The Forum > General Discussion > Is there any hope that a Christian & secular based society, can peacefully co-exist with Islam?

Is there any hope that a Christian & secular based society, can peacefully co-exist with Islam?

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AJ Philips you wouldn't perhaps be an academic now would you?

I don't suppose you would have noticed from your lofty perch, that so many of the best & brightest young cops, with 6 to 10 year experience are getting out.

Any one with half a brain would have to, when some silly little girl, with a degree in criminology, who has never been within a hundred meters of any criminal, is promoted over them, & starts demanding their policing THEORY, as taught in some ivory tower be applied.

Community policing, when said silly little girls are telling experienced cops to "go easy with the Muslims, we don't want to stir them up."

Community policing in the areas which are now no go areas for cops & the general population alike. Pull the other one mate.

God I wish you people had to live with the results of your grandiose theories, out with the real people, rather than in some nice leafy green enclave by a university.
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 15 November 2014 12:01:30 PM
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Dear Constance,

I've been called a lot of things in my life -
but being accused of being "institutionalised,"
is a new one. I'm not sure what exactly you mean
by that - because I'm not actually associated
with any "institution." Unless being married
qualifies.

Anyway, I shall take it as a compliment.
Which I'm sure is the way you intended it to be.

And I am familiar with William F. Buckley Jr's
quotes. We lived and worked in the US for over
ten years.
I admired Buckley's sense of humour and wit.

Dear Banjo,

I'm pleased that you see the value of the link
I cited recently. And yes, indeed, it would be
admirable if more Muslims got involved in a more
positive way in this country to give people
a different picture to the distortion that terrorists
like ISIS create, and use, and manipulate, to their own
advantage.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 15 November 2014 12:35:54 PM
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Yuyutsu,

"As for the united nations, it's a criminal organisation and it's shameful that Australia still has anything to do with them, including that stupid seat on the security-council."

In terms of what? Terrorists? Government inaction on important international policy? Lack of Australian Government action in relation to the Ebola virus? War and violence?

Too many people, particularly in well off western countries now seem to be singling out one religion (or anything seen to be connected with it). Why? Because its the flavor of the month. Governments get points from it.

It's an on-going cycle with no real solution.

I did read the link from Constance, and a lot of it was verging on ridiculous - as many in the Australian society at present, take a line (and that includes myself), that we are 100% perfect, along with family and relatives and "we" have perfect, high moral values - and have never done anything wrong.

However certain other groups of people (let's say, those people called "Muslims" are a hideous group of citizens living in Australia that "we" cannot tolerate.

It's a vague reasoning however. It's like saying I should be responsible for the actions of people who commit and are arrested (and later found guilty) for range of serious crimes that occur across Australia daily. Would people be happy with that, if that principle was applied to them?

Philosophically and practically - we really to need get our brains back in order - to get better policies and better solutions in place. As I said before, we can't go overboard policy wise based on youtube screenings or vimeos.
Posted by NathanJ, Saturday, 15 November 2014 2:01:43 PM
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Interesting logic, Nathan. A bit psychotic, but there you go.

Let's just run through a few facets of the non-problem, as you may see it:

* hundreds of schoolgirls kidnapped in Nigeria, to be either married off and/or enslaved.

* Car bombs and suicide bombers this week in: the Punjab, Kabul, Baghdad, and perhaps Yemen.

* Massacres in the past couple of months: of Yazidis, Shabaks, Christians, Kurds and non-compliant Sunnis in Iraq, along with the enslavement of women and the beheading of children;

* Running-down of Jews in Jerusalem.

* Sundry atrocities in Syria, Somalia, Libya and Keya overv the past couple of months.

* not least by any means, the killing and beheading of three young girls in Aceh.

I wonder, is there a common thread n all of these atrocities ? Hmmmmmm ....... what could it be ?

It can't be Muslims in toto, because most Muslim are a peaceful people - after all, Islam is a religion of peace.

Could it be a group within Islam itself ? Gosh, is that a possibility ?

If so, then it would be up to the 'more peaceful Muslims' to take steps, ideologically and even physically, to root them out, expose them and ultimately destroy them. Nobody else has the remotest obligation - this is ultimately an internal Muslim war, only 'peaceful' Muslims can cut out this cancer (sorry, Foxy). Of course, it may be so metastatic, so fundamental to Islam, that removal could kill the patient.

As an atheist, I am appropriately concerned about that.

What puzzles me is the apologetics of some on the Left for the most vile and reactionary Right-wing forces in the world today, and for a long time. Baffling.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Saturday, 15 November 2014 2:56:31 PM
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Good afternoon to you AJPHILLIPS...

Thank you for drawing my attention to the vast expertise of the AIC, and of course I shall defer to your far greater knowledge of policing, per se. Though I'm not quite sure what is meant by a 'policing scholar' ?

Hello there BAZZ...

In my own naïve and ingenuous way, I would have to agree with your summation, about policing practices and intelligence gathering methodology, as evidenced by the immense 'product' continually emerging from both, the BCI and the ABCI.

The problem as I see it, there are insufficient resources available in order for detectives to verify each item of intel. in an attempt to juxtapose with other known, substantiated facts ? Notwithstanding each item acquired is appraised, carefully collated and then disseminated to every pro-active patrol within their area command. I don't believe any working detective wouldn't give his left....'finger?' to have the necessary resources, to fully interdict crime within his purview ?

One of the greatest 'weapons', if you like, was the old Consorting Squad. It (very effectively) prevented criminals from hanging out and assembling together, usually for the purpose of plotting and scheming further criminal activities. Persons caught 'consorting' would be immediately locked-up and placed before the local SM at the earliest opportunity. Our political masters saw fit to repeal the Act and disbanded the squads.

This practice would've been of great benefit today, in these times of Islamic terrorism. Still, it was asserted by our erudite academics, this particular legislation manifestly interfered with, and unfairly constrained, their human rights, by restricting their 'right' to mix with whomever they choose ?

Of course BAZZ, our revered academic scholars are more able to foresee the deleterious effects the Consorting Act had, on the sensitive feelings of our emotionally damaged criminal element, then the less 'scholarly' detectives ?
Posted by o sung wu, Saturday, 15 November 2014 2:59:21 PM
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Foxy,
Yes it is a pity more muslims don't publicly support what Glenn Mohammed stated in his article in the 'Age'.

Unfortunately I suspect the reason being for lack of support is :- (a) They do not agree with him. or (b) They are fearful of being victimized by other muslims if they do support him.

Either way the situation is that few other muslims do not publicly support Glenn Mohammed. We are left with the opinion that most muslims support the radicals, or accept their actions.
Posted by Banjo, Saturday, 15 November 2014 3:08:19 PM
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