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The Forum > General Discussion > Is there any hope that a Christian & secular based society, can peacefully co-exist with Islam?

Is there any hope that a Christian & secular based society, can peacefully co-exist with Islam?

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Dear Joe (Loudmouth),

Personally, I take the subject of this discussion
very seriously. And because the subject of crime
was brought up - I thought that a report from the
Australian Institute of Criminology addressing
the subject of ethnicity and crime in this country
could prove educational and useful in broading this
discussion.

BTW: - Thank You for your kind words - I am aware of
the problems that we face globally from terrorists.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 14 November 2014 9:38:35 PM
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Hi folks, as an aside, someone mentioned the AIC (the Australian Institute of Criminology) a worthy organisation, comprising of suits and dresses, who produce a series of numbers, both vertically and horizontally. Beautiful charts, attractive reports, nice people if one has a need to speak with them...still they've never caught a crook, nor assisted in catching a crook ? But produce a series of reports Annual and otherwise wow, they're brilliant ! Imagine the huge benefit to be gained for investigating detectives, if the funds that are annually allocated to the AIC are redirected to any of the State Police Force's CIB'S, those funds would assist us marvellously !
Posted by o sung wu, Friday, 14 November 2014 9:50:37 PM
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Dear o sung wu,

Without the AIC, the government nor police services around the country, would not know where to direct any additional funds (or the funds they already receive) as effectively as they could otherwise. The funding provided to the AIC would largely be squandered if given directly to police institutions as they would not have the data available to direct their efforts as effectively as they can now that they do have such data available to them.

Policing is about more than just catching bad guys now. It is largely because of the AIC (along with policing scholars in general) that police services around the country are more effective than they’ve ever been before, and now enjoy unprecedented levels of legitimacy and public satisfaction. Crime rates in general are lower than they’ve ever been before, and that’s partly due to a police service that is more educated and professional than it’s ever been before.

If you think the relatively small amount of money directed towards the AIC could be better spent on the police services, then you have no idea of just how ever-changing the technological challenges that police face nowadays are. Gone is the era of community policing (community and preventative policing are simply ingrained now and will never leave due to their phenomenal success); we have now entered an era known as "The era of uncertainty"; an era we were propelled into by 9/11.

Terrorism is now challenging police forces like never before, and catching the odd crook or two extra, here and there, just ain't gonna cut it these days, I'm afraid. In fact, less crooks would be caught if we were to revert back to the days of traditional policing; police institutions would lose respect, legitimacy, their ability to prevent crime and keep up with technology. Times have changed too much for traditional policing and technology has rendered it obsolete.
Posted by AJ Philips, Friday, 14 November 2014 11:32:56 PM
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@Jay Of Melbourne you are full of lies...

"Indonesia is one of the most egregious modern examples of the violence inherent in Islam, about a million people were murdered by religious extremists in the 1960's, tens of thousands in East Timor and West Papua and nobody really knows how many died in Aceh and Kalimantan"

that is totally wrong!.. the 60's massacre was communist purge backed by CIA! it was never about religion!, so does East Timor! it was also about communist and CIA with the help of Australia!.. don't ever think you can wash your hands easily!.. and about Aceh, you are really ignorant!, Aceh is the province with the highest percentage of muslim in Indonesia, nearing 100%, there has never been any massacre of Christians in Aceh, Aceh war is pure rebellion, Aceh wanted to apply sharia law, but the Indonesian secular central government does not allow it, so they asked for independence, that's why they rebelled and in 2005 there was a peace agreement between Aceh rebel (GAM) and Indonesian government with one of the conditions is a special autonomy for Aceh which includes applying the Islamic sharia law in Aceh, and today Aceh is the only province in Indonesia that enforces sharia law.. and don't forget that Suharto was a US's puppet!..
Posted by mansjunior, Saturday, 15 November 2014 12:32:26 AM
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I do not think that the police need an academic report to tell them who the criminals are !
Where they are spending their time tells them that. The activity of the criminals tells
them more than any report.
Reading the list of contributors to that report tells you much.
Were any of them ever a working copper ?
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 15 November 2014 6:54:50 AM
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Mansjunior,
So you're another White supremacist eh?
Of course the all powerful CIA causes all the trouble in the world and Muhhamadiya and Nahdlatul Ulama were just a bunch of idiots sitting in the dirt picking their noses waiting for Whitey to tell them what to do were they?
The TNI "green lighted" the massacres and provided support for the Islamic militiamen who were already in conflict with PKI.
It's the same scenario which occurred in Ukraine in the 1940's, the SS Einsatzgruppen facilitated the massacres of thousands of Jews and other people who were on the nationalist/anti communist groups hit lists, they provided security, transport and intelligence for the groups who were rounding up undesirables and they also took part in the killings.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 15 November 2014 7:51:40 AM
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