‘morning yvonne,

I’m impressed. You’ve done some good research. It’s nice that we have both backed away from our initial sniping and covered some useful ground, for my part I apologize for the my initial tone.

I’ve lived and worked in most of the ME countries since the early seventies. I still have good friends in Egypt, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Israel and Emirates. Sadly, the last of my former colleagues in Syria was killed in Aleppo in September 2012, along with his wife and two of his three children. My wife and I were in eastern Turkey and hoping to meet them but they never arrived. We didn’t know of their deaths until we returned to OZ. But the rest of us still maintain periodic contact.

I have no idea how the general public can come to terms with what is happening in the ME because the information we get is so distorted. I also have some difficulty with the constantly changing allegiances, in spite of my personal experience living there and my current contacts.

Living in the ME and doing business with Arabs is…., how should I put it, informative.

Enjoy the thread.

Spindoc

I come to this thread late and there is too much to read.
No, we cannot co-exist with Islam. Islam itself says so.
There are paragraphs in the Koran that urges Moslems not to have infidel friends.
Paragraphs that urge never to marry an infidel unless they convert,
(Shades of Irish Catholic Church), paragraphs that irge moslems to be intolerant of "kafir" practises.
and so on and on.

So called moderates can indeed be moderate until it comes to the crunch and then they
fall into line.
As to what is happening in Europe, just read about Germany, where the football
hooligans have had enough and they are uniting all football hooligans against the
Salifs. Just a sec I will find it.

http://tinyurl.com/oel4sal

It is all about the Salifis which were mentioned earlier in this thread.
They look to be come a more widely supported group.

How long do you think before this gets repeated in the UK & France and then here ?
Follow the page back to its front page and there is quite a bit more there.

The Melbourne-based demographer Bob Birrell, in a 2000 article on Inter-marriage in Australia:
[http://arrow.monash.edu.au/vital/access/manager/Repository/monash:63908]

makes the point that, while up to 90 % of Indigenous people in big cities were inter-marrying, only 6 % of Muslims were. Back then.

As we know, some Muslims want the entire world's population to be Muslim.

Those two factors provoke a question:

How ?

Just curious. People used to say that I was a curious lad. Weird, some reckoned. Plain dumb-@rse crazy, other cruel people said. Dropped on my head when I was a baby, my grandma claimed.

Joe

Bazz one of the kids in that photo is wearing and Anti Fascist Action hoodie so that's probably a shot of the Leftist counter protest.
The real protestors were mostly neo Fascists and there weren't 5000 of them, the words "neo nazi" generate lots of mouse clicks.
http://assets.vice.com/content-images/contentimage/195621/Berserker-3.jpg
That Cologne rally has been beaten up to be far bigger and more organised than it was but it's the type of thing I was talking about in my earlier posts,

Cont:
What many are now starting to recognise is that we are in an episode of a war that has
been waged for 1400 years.
Right from the very beginning Islam has attacked its neighbours, especially the Jews.
As they surged out of Arabia they waged war on the locals enforcing conversion to Islam.
Eventually they conquered Israel and Jerusalem, killing and oppressing the Christians and Jews.
It was that invasion that led to the crusades.
The Koran tells them that land once conquered by moslims remains moslem land forever.
From that you can see where our current Arab/Israeli troubles originate.

The moslems surged out of the Middle East into Persia and India and laid the foundations
of Indian/Pakistan wars. They also took over Egypt and most of Nth Africa and then
into Spain. Likewise at a later time they had another go at Europe but were stopped
by the Austrians and Poles.

They now probably have realised our main weakness, we are too politically correct to
stop them migrating into Europe and taking over by means of birthrate.
The next phase of this ongoing war will be fought on the streets of Europe, Canada,
the USA and Australia. Well not will be, it is being fought now.

'. Though 'Christians' bent on a bit of martyrdom are doing their very best to make it so '

I am sure your inference to those girls being packed raped, those who have lost their heads in Syria and Iraq is amusing Yvonne. Your remarks are nothing short of disgusting but not surprising from someone taking the morally superior line.