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In Argentina, the Government has given 7.5 acres of public land to build the King Fahd Islamic Cultural Centre, the largest mosque in Latin America. It overshadows the Caracas mega mosque in Venezuela which has a capacity of 3,500. Both mega mosques were built by the Saudi royal family.
But so long as there’s oil money fuelling the projects then the mega mosques will keep on growing.

From Markham in Canada down to New York City, and from the West Midlands in the United Kingdom to Sydney, Australia, cities around the world are facing the same threats to their communities. In Islamic doctrine, every mosque is instructed to be based upon the original mosque in Medina, where Muhammad originally in the 7th century set up his religious- political doctrine of social control, and the mosque is a place of government, it is a place where treaties are made, death sentences are passed, armies are blessed and dispatched, it is primarily about political control and it is very much used as a tool of advance. Ever since mosques have been erected as signs of Muslim conquest.

The word “mosque” is strategically omitted during the application process to local government authorities.: A planning application gets submitted for a mosque in an area, and it will never be called a ‘mosque.’ It will be called a community centre; an inter- faith centre; a public community, harmony-building outreach centre, all designed to placate local citizens

That's your opinion, Is Mise, which is of course your absolute right to express.

>>Regardless of what Cardinal Dolan said the God of the majority of Christians is different to the God of Islam and of Judaism... So all due respect to Cardinal Tim but he was speaking politically.<<

But your "respect" for Cardinal Tim does not extend, it would appear, to his status within the Christian church.

And you're just clutching at straws, runner.

>>Not really Pericles just allows 'regeressives 'like yourself to find someone backing your narrative rather than facing the truth.<<

Which truth are you talking about? Even Jesus, it would appear, disagreed with Is Mise on trinitarianism:

"And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord" Mark 12: 28-29

Just the one, you will notice.

So it seems more than likely, given the fascinating history of the early days of the Christian church, and its multitude of competing factions, that trinitarianism itself is nothing more than just another political stance.

Josephus' idea is that you can tell the difference between the various versions of God by the "character, actions and wisdom attributed to them".

No wonder you Christians want to abrogate the violent, vengeful and vindictive God of the Old Testament. The Jewish God, that is. Which is a little difficult, when Jesus' God was also the God of the Jews, was it not.

Sounds very much like another political accommodation to me.

But then, what is an atheist to think, when faced with the vastly differing assertions of a) a senior authority in the Roman Catholic church, and b) a couple of random religionists on a message board in Australia.

Where are the posters who railed against Rolf Harris?

<Rotherham child sex scandal resulted in 100 babies as abuse victim reveals she fell pregnant TWICE
Aug 30, 2014 23:00 By Simon Wright
One disgusted mum in her 30s told the Sunday Mirror: "I was groomed and abused, but the police took no action”

Vile: The abuse continued over a 16 year period
Teenage girls raped in the Rotherham child sex abuse scandal gave birth to more than 100 babies.

Scores more children as young as 13 ­miscarried or were forced to have abortions after attacks by Asian gangs on 1,400 girls.>

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/rotherham-child-sex-scandal-resulted-4137542

One victim, who got ­pregnant TWICE to the same attacker, said: “I was groomed and abused, but the police took no action.”

The vulnerable youngster had an abortion at just 14 when her abuser threatened to have her killed if she gave birth to his baby.

Then he made her pregnant again just six months later – and allowed her to keep her child, but only if she became a Muslim...

Some babies were kept by their young mothers while many were forcibly adopted and are now themselves in the care system.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/rotherham-child-sex-scandal-resulted-4137542

Pericles,
I don’t eat white bread.

I’ve already said I do not hate anyone. Enough said.

It just might be that extreme secularism has created extreme Islam which I implied on the last line of my most recent post. If it is not enough that most Muslims already hold contempt for Jews and Christians, they have an even more negative view of Atheists. A “Clash of Civilisations” (Samuel Huntington). Again, how can we a religious war when we have a secular country.

Many Muslims are unable to come to terms with our liberties. They have a different mentality.

I have come across an excellent interview by an Egyptian Jesuit scholar on Islam which is highly convincing as it makes complete sense. It was sent to me by an Aussie Middle Eastern friend. Atheist fundamentalists like yourself would not like it. It would be a good topic for a new thread. But as I am time poor I know I will not be able to keep pace with postings. I am not sure whether to put the link here on this thread.

Re comparing apples with oranges just like Jesus and Mohamed (or apples with a durian):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_organizations

It suspiciously seems to be dominated by Islamic groups ya think? Please name a terrorist group other than an Islamic one who will attack anyone for the sole reason that they are different to them, and rear their ugly head in any country in the world and are always full of surprises? This my friend, is terrorism like no other and are the champions of terrorism which would indicate that they do indeed have a stronghold on terrorism.

Yes, every culture has bad elements and double standards, just different degrees. You can’t be that blind, and black and white thinking, are you? But then you are fundamentalist.

Japan has a special policy for limitations of Muslims entering their country. The Vatican even has special warnings for Western women marrying Muslim men and living in the Middle East as there is no point of return unless they make a very uneasy escape.

Trinitarianism may be but a political stance but it is a stance that is held by the majority of Christians and thus makes the God of the Christians different to the God of Islam and the God of Judaism.

That is what you were talking about, Pericles, not the perceptions of early Christians but the perceptions of today.

My statement above is a logical statement, if you wish to refute it then do so logically.

Another very good link about Rotherham:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/rotherham-s-collaborators_804406.html?nopager=1

"Every agency contributed to silencing the whistleblowers and abandoning the girls. Parents who acted to protect their daughters were ignored, harassed, even fined and arrested. Rotherham Council ignored their pleas and continued to give contracts to the taxi firms whose owners and drivers were the perpetrators, and in whose cars no teenager in town would ever willingly travel."

The problem is that issue is not restricted to Rotherham, UK, 2006 or 2013. It happens everywhere that Muslim communities meet Western culture, to one degree or another. It happens where multiculturism puts a minority (non-western) culture beyond criticism. It happens because Islam and western values are very different. It happens because of the misogynist teachings of the quran and hadith -- and practiced in Islamic societies. How can people really expect Muslims to integrate when the Quran teaches that infidels are inferior, evil people? How can you expect them to really accept western culture when they learn in the mosque and quran that Islam has its own law, economic and social systems. Which is better to a Muslim? the flawed systems of the infidels or the perfect law and rules of Allah?

To accept Islam is to reject Western values. To say otherwise is dishonest. To accept Islam is to accept different moral standards for different people, which translates to high standards demanded of non-Muslims but only silly rules and rituals of Muslims (and blind, mindless faith).

Oh yes, by the way, according to the perfect Quran, Mary is a part of the Trinity (Surah 5:116). It gets worse, it also said the jews believe that Ezra is the son of Jehovah. Now that is perfection, even if news to rabbis and jews.

I see no reason to believe that our leaders have learned anything from the Rotherham scandal or will change their ways. They will continue to let a people that not only do not accept our values, but even cause mischief and suffering, live amongst us and destroy our societies. We are doomed.