Hi Jay of Melbourne,

I have to catch a plane, so I have no time. You didn't read my post. Those so called surveys have been manipulated by that far right wing website you linked to. The results are fake. They have been discredited a long time ago. Just like that website has been thoroughly discredited a long time ago. It's a fundamentalist, right wing, anti Muslim website. That website is just as fundamentalist and manipulating as fundamentalist Islam and fundamentalist Christianity.

But I guess true believers like you will just keep on believing in what's on such websites, no matter what.

Pericles,

For a start, in your debate with Is Mise, you didn’t have to include me along with Josephus as I never gave any definition of God. Where did you get that from? Scrounging for numbers for your argument against Is Mise. Just face it a lot of atheists are never going to understand any religious concepts as it is just not in their mind matter. Give up!

And here we go, Jesuit scholary spin now? Ha! You’re not serious enough to discuss anything which opposes your own ideals or thinking.
Fr Samir Khalil Samir studied under Ratzinger who is NOT a Jesuit. What on earth would he have to gain spreading propaganda, especially being a native of the middle east.

Why on earth would he want to be debating his own team? You think he is doing it for kicks.

I suppose the Jesuit Refugee Service is full of spin too - those looking after the mainly Moslems in the asylum seeker case load. May as well throw in George Lemaitre - was he also a Jesuit propagandist too?

One of the most respected scholars of Hinduism who happens to be a Jesuit:
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/spiritofthings/hinduism/4254658

Tell me what you know about Jesuit scholars?

You do remember what happened when Pope Benedict was having a civilised discussion in an obscure university in Germany when he cited an historical conversation with a pope and a Muslim leader?

Have you ever heard of diplomacy? Scholars do not do diplomacy as it is not their job to do so. For world leaders - yes.

There's a reason for that, Constance.

>>Just face it a lot of atheists are never going to understand any religious concepts as it is just not in their mind matter.<<

And we are most grateful that our "mind matter", whatever that might be, does not contain such nonsense.

But you are simply blustering, as you are not quite sure how to respond.

>>And here we go, Jesuit scholary spin now? Ha! You’re not serious enough to discuss anything which opposes your own ideals or thinking.<<

I most certainly am. But it would appear that you are not.

You are, it would seem, suggesting that Samir Khalil Samir knows more of the Pope's mind than the Pope, and did a little bit of clarification. Whereas I saw that he was concerned that a plainly stated position might be understood as such by ordinary people, and felt the need to spin an alternate narrative.

>>Fr Samir Khalil Samir studied under Ratzinger who is NOT a Jesuit.<<

But Samir Khalil Samir is a Jesuit, is he not?

>>Tell me what you know about Jesuit scholars?<<

As far as I am aware, they dedicate themselves to an extreme form of evangelism, using a form of überscholarship to impress the gullible. At one point in their history, they were even banned by a Pope - presumably for being intolerable smartarses. If I am right, then Samir Khalil Samir's attempt to re-colour the Pope's "same God" statements would be very much in keeping with their position as arch-propagandists.

Quite understandable, in the circumstances.

Pericles,

Care to comment on the success, or lack thereof, of multiculturalism in Northern Ireland?

"MULTI CULT" means just that people with different views of reality including God. Muslims who want a Caliphate will never accommodate multiculturalism.

A so called Moderate Muslim Mosque in Sydney yesterday auctioned the flag carried by the terrorists in Syria Iraq to raise funds.

Jay, of course you are right, immigration is a “we” issue. All of us are affected not only by our decisions and attitude on this matter, but also by those around us. In a sense there is no “they” issue in the social realm.

This Rotherham crisis may have been averted if social workers and police had done their jobs, but there is more to it. This Rotherham crisis would also have been averted if the UK had not opened its doors to a people whose values are not those generally associated with Western Civilization.

Jay, have you ever read the Quran and hadith? The level of hate for non-Muslims and scorn for women is such that it cannot be ignored and certainly can be linked to the treatment of minorities, women and yes, the girls of Rotherham. The misogyny in Islam started with Mohammad and only got worse, including such things as wife beatings, statements that women are stupid, evil, like dogs, unworthy to lick the puss off their husbands’ bodies – and much more. It is not for nothing that Aisha (Mohammed’s child wife) wrote: “I never saw women so abused as the wives of the believers” – and these were the people Muslims claim to be the best ever.

So you take that cold, cruel Rotherham Muslim mentality, add to it the decadence and family breakdown of Western civilization and the corrupt, hypocritical mentality of political correctness, and presto , you have not one Rotherham, but hundreds just like it all over Europe and abroad – yesterday, today and tomorrow.

Nothing has changed nor will it. Editorials will be written, authorities will wring their hands, and little girls will continue to be abused – particularly by Muslims.

I see your “Journalists are scum” and I put my “Politicians are scum” chips next to it. If you up the ante with “Academics are scum”, I will reply with “clergy are scum” until the chips are piled to the ceiling on the table.

Oh darn it, I lost my bomb that I was going to throw at the archduke..