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Rotherham reveals the price we pay for multiculturalism
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Posted by Pericles, Thursday, 4 September 2014 6:18:35 PM
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Is Mise,
Thanks for clarifying the issue of British tyranny in Ireland to my mate, Peri. Poor man, he can’t take it. He’s English you know. I think you’ve touched a raw nerve. Gawd, what a sore loser! The fundi Atheist thinks all conflicts, even the imaginary ones with China and Russia are all the fault of religion. I think his become delirious. Pot calling the kettle black. The sheer arrogance. Posted by Constance, Thursday, 4 September 2014 8:47:14 PM
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Is Mise,
Aren't the Islamists just a 2014 version of the Irish of the 1960's only their numbers are greater ? Posted by individual, Thursday, 4 September 2014 9:03:14 PM
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Pericles,
Not only are there divisions in Ireland between between Protestant and Protestant but there are divisions between Catholic and Catholic. The Free Presbyterians in Northern Ireland are agin' just about everybody that doesn't share their narrow interpretation of Christianity. To many of them Queen Elizabeth II is a Catholic. Their premier pastor, the Rev. Ian Paisley, was famous for his statement " I have Catholic friends (said softly) but they are all damned (said with rising voice) DAMNED! (crescendo). The first Prime Minister of Northern Ireland, Sir James Craig was famous for his democratic leanings when he advised Orange businessmen not to employ Catholics,(as you said, democracy in action). The non-Catholic Primate of Ireland, Richard Lionel Clarke (born 25 June 1949) is the current Church of Ireland Archbishop of Armagh and Primate of All Ireland. He is an Irish citizen and was born in Dublin, he lives, I believe, in the Republic where the level of tolerance for the Church of Ireland (Anglican Communion) is high. Yes, Pericles, the religious divisions in Ireland are much more subtle than a simple Catholic versus Protestant pallet, all of ROYGBIV are there. Posted by Is Mise, Thursday, 4 September 2014 9:30:46 PM
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individual,
"Is Mise, Aren't the Islamists just a 2014 version of the Irish of the 1960's only their numbers are greater ?" Not at all, the Irish were fighting for democracy, as they have for over a thousand years, since my ancestor Diarmait Mac Murchada invited the Normans to come and help him in one of his petty wars. He swore fealty to the King of England, Henry II (another ancestor), and is thus known in Irish history as The First Traitor; bit of a bugbear but I acknowledge him! One takes the good with the bad. Posted by Is Mise, Thursday, 4 September 2014 9:43:50 PM
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Many Australians lost loved ones in that confused, horrendous conflict. Time to move on.
Dallán Forgaill's poetry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMEAlzuEXWI Posted by onthebeach, Thursday, 4 September 2014 10:06:52 PM
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>>Think again, Pericles, I have lived in Ireland, owned a house, was consequently a rate payer and hold Irish citizenship.<<
But at least we are now in agreement as to the religious fundamentals of the Irish situation. I'm sure, for instance, that many Irish share this particular view of yours...
>>...let us not sully Protestantism by referring to the sect in Ireland as normal Protestants<<
So, now we not only have Catholics vs. Protestants, we have Protestants vs. Orangemen. Another schism in the religious fundament?
No us vs. them here, either...
>>...the Ulstermen, traitors to both Ireland and Britain<<
I think you are making my point for me rather nicely.