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'As a multicultural society, we should take a very dim view of this sort of behaviour'

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Foxy,
What was the point of that wall of text? You haven't given a single example of "racism" in that 1,000 or so word piece.
What more can we do?
I've shown you that the "Islamophobes" are led by Jewish extremists, that the "Fascists" are led by a Lebanese man,that the "Neo Nazis" work for the state and that the spokespeople for the so called Islamic "Radicals" are all suspiciously blonde and blue eyed.
I'm an expert on the "far right", I've spent eight years corresponding with them via the internet and I can tell you that there precisely ZERO active White "racist" groups in this country.
When did all these "outrages" occur? 1969? Or back in the 1970's when ASIO and the NSW special branch ran National Action?
I think this video sums it up perfectly, you know everything we know and in the privacy of your own home you agree with us but you're too scared to speak about it in public and simply want to wait in the hope that everything will be all right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Wn0tW3erdg
You're scared, we understand, we're scared too because little by little our ability to stand up for our own ethnic interests has been whittled away by the state and on top of that we now have people like you, (our own bloody elders no less) attacking us as well.
It's unprecedented, do you see Lebanese, or Sudanese or Samoan elders trashing their own young people, trashing their ethnic group as a whole and demanding that the people from their community with whom they don't agree be silenced or even jailed?
What if everything is not all right? What if Shepparton ends up like Malmo in Sweden? What happens when immigrant gangs start forcibly driving people out of an area or killing anyone who is not like them like Asuza 13 did in the U.S?
Sorry, we can't do anything about it, we can't speak up or we will be the ones jailed.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 5:53:17 PM
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"without stooping to personal insults"

Foxy, you're hilarious!

"certainties lost in a future that has already arrived."

Fraid not.

The census shows only a tiny proportion speak other languages, follow other faiths, etc.

Some parts of our major cities might resemble a marketplace along the Silk Road (yes kids, global trade *without* mass immigration goes back millennia!).

But Australia *as a whole* is still the Australia of our parents, grandparents, etc.
Most of the changes are superficial (fashions, technologies).

"some people yearn for a pause, a chance for the nation to catch its breath"

Why not?
Why must immigration (of whatever nature) be perpetual?

In the 1940s, 90% of us were born here.
That must have meant some prior periods of very little influx.

During those lulls, a new EQUILIBRIUM could emerge.

Nature produces periods of chaos/flux: the storm, the volcanic eruption, the bushfire.

But they cannot last FOREVER or you'd have nothing left!
When they pass, new shoots can bloom, nests can be built.

"these faiths exist in Australia - they are a part of the nation."

Yeah, 10% total.
Whoop-de-do.

"Will Australia remain a Christian nation?"

No, but I couldn't care less.
We were on our way to a post-religious society.
Now we have introduced ones we never even needed to deal with before!
Brilliant!

(Ironically many of the most fervent multiculturalists/anti-racists are atheists! What do you want, more religion or less?)

"the leaders of those countries" aren't doing the hijackings, kidnappings, beheadings, genital mutilation of girls.
"Everyday" Muslims are.

"the most likely culprits have been Australian-raised racists."

i.e. racist = nationalist = violent criminal = evil.
Ergo ipso facto nationalism = evil.

Of course the acts of criminal/violent Muslims shouldn't inspire a similar generalisation about Muslims.

"Looking back at the nation's placid history"

And why the hell do you think it was so placid?!
Because the rest of the world and its incomprehensible chaos was "over there", half-a-planet away, not in our own streets.

"no nation has come through that process unscathed."

The first honest thing you've ever said.
Get ready for The Troubles.
Posted by Shockadelic, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 9:04:09 PM
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Shocko,
What the multiculturalists/anti-racists cannot grasp is that they are not part of a majority in any sense of the word, they are part of a global minority and one of the smaller ethnic groups in the hemisphere.
OK, fine, they're cowards, we get it but we're asking them to remain silent, to stay out of it and to stop using whatever influence they have to block and undermine activity which is intended to benefit all our people.
I honestly don't care what a person's beliefs are, I care about what race and which ethnic group they identify with and whether they want us to survive or not. I've never met a person of another ethnic group who genuinely hated us and who has dedicated their life to destroying us the way many White "Anti Racist" and Left/Liberals do, most foreigners like us, they don't judge us or find fault in everything we do.
So Foxy, do you want European ethnic groups to survive?
If you do then that has to be the entire focus of your public life and persona, if you can't say something positive about your own ethnic group then at least have the decency to stay silent and to back others instead of undermining them.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 9:43:44 PM
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Foxy,
Remember, you said, "People who are in denial about racism in this country are simply ignorant. Lets look at the facts - we imprison
brown asylum seekers, we once celebrated our national day
with a white racist riot. There were assaults on Indian
students, a little political organisation called
One Nation, and of course "the intervention" - the heraldic
beak on our long hawkish treatment of Indigenous Australians".
Foxy, OLO Friday 18-4-2014 12.18.35

No I will not enter into a prolonged discussion with you as you have already made your feelings clear about Australia.

As I said it is a pity you can't admit your 'facts' are wrong, it is a question of having the character to do that.

JoM,
I want to make it clear that I care nothing about ethnicity or race.

My interest is in cultures that can adapt to our society, in other words integrate. I do not want people here if they persist with alien cultural practices. I don't care what the Croats and Serbs have been fighting about for a thousand years, I don't want them here. I don't care why the sunnis and Sharia muslims fight in Syria, I don't want their violence here. Seems we have few problems with non muslim Lebs, it is the muslim Lebs that are a problem and I do not want them here. If the Sri Lankans want to fight each other, they can do that elsewhere. If African refugees cause social problems then no more of them either. These are examples. Just stop importing problems.

There are millions of refugees, we don't have to continue bringing those we know give us problems.

I understand that some cultural habits are very ingrained and the continued importation of problem groups just refreshes the ingrained habits and hatreds. So the logical answer is to stop allowing these groups in.
Posted by Banjo, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 10:47:48 PM
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Sorry Jay and 'Shocker', I have constructed a considered piece following this, but I fully realize that it will fall on totally deaf ears.
I know I am wasting my time, but you both deserve to be punished, so I will persist.

Oz has successfully 'assimilated' Greeks and Italians, and a host of other Europeans, and quite a few Asians (mostly Chinese) with very little 'difficulty'. This is fact.
But you two seem myopically focused on 'problems' you see with Middle-Eastern and African/NON-White immigrants.
You appear determined that these simply cannot be 'assimilated' without bringing about the complete destruction of our 'culture' and our way of life.
You are both therefore obviously brazenly-racist, xenophobic, paranoid, Islamophobic, short-sighted, white-supremacist, and wrong.

I have to side solidly with Foxy on this; her's is a song of hope and of conviction to make a better world; yours is a dirge of paranoia and despair - you have lost before you start, because you look exclusively for problems rather than for solutions.
TBC> (although I know you're not interested).
Posted by Saltpetre, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 11:41:55 PM
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Continued:

There is a way to make multiculturalism work, and it involves watering-down and even isolating 'differences', and finding and working on commonalities, common best-interests.
People of difference have been getting along for centuries, in very many settings, and it is only when some area of difference is magnified, focused upon and exaggerated that real problems arise - and often for some 'cause' which is not really associated with the actual 'problem' - as where economics, disadvantage, unemployment or unequal employment is/are the 'real' issue, but the focus is placed on 'ethnicity' or religious difference - or some other 'red-herring'.

Ignoring, or worse still, downplaying 'real' areas of discrimination or real causes of discontent can generally be relied upon to get people's hackles up, big-time.
Problems need to be addressed head-on - or preferably anticipated and avoided before they become an 'issue'.

How to avoid issues? Firstly by being selective in our immigration program, and secondly by providing structured avenues for introducing newcomers to our 'culture' and way of thinking, and following through by providing ongoing support by way of skills training, apprenticeships, cadetships, constructive and meaningful jobs in a supportive and understanding work environment, and the provision of community facilities and programs to assist newcomers to meet, mingle and become at ease with the other members of the community in which they live - and for those other members (Aussies) to become familiar with and at ease with the newcomers.

Life is a two-way street.
If we want to make integration and assimilation work, we can. If we want only to focus on differences and potential problems, we will make it fail.

Firstly we have to have jobs; secondly we have to have people willing and capable to do those jobs; if some Aussies feel certain work, certain jobs, are 'beneath them', or just too hard, then we need someone else to do those essential jobs. Answer: migrants.
Don't like it? Build a better, more adaptable and more flexible Aussie - and get over thinking the only 'decent' Aussie is a 'white' Aussie.
Posted by Saltpetre, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 11:42:01 PM
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