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'As a multicultural society, we should take a very dim view of this sort of behaviour'
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Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 26 April 2014 1:14:44 PM
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So, Jay, your point is?
That these various 'groups' are 'really' after positive integration and assimilation - and possibly inter-marriage? (As well as 'positive' immigration)? And, what, is that meant (in your view) to be a 'bad' thing? Ok, the 'modus operandi' you accuse these groups of is both strange and intensely troubling (whether your inference of their ultimate 'objective' is accurate or not), and hence their activities are to be staunchly opposed and ruled 'out of hand' - as their overt radical, rattbaggery approach is nothing short of paranoia and hate-mongering. Should the ADL in Oz be condemned, and possibly banned? You betcha! Am I totally at ease with all aspects of Islam (for example) in Oz? Not at this point; but I refuse to condemn all Muslims (or any other 'group') because some members are presenting some problems, in some areas. There are better ways to approach any problems we may have, than going off half-cocked and tarring all with the same brush. How about we try some honest dialogue and understanding - to find acceptable common ground? And let the law take care of any 'criminal elements' - wherever they may exist, and irrespective of any 'labeling'. (We certainly don't want any 'vigilantes' or radical white, black, brown or yellow 'supremacist groups' infesting our culture and values (in any guise). Posted by Saltpetre, Saturday, 26 April 2014 5:34:18 PM
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Saltpetre, "who simply refuses to see how society, any society, actually works"
Oh, please enlighten us. How does a society "work"? Specifically, how does a "society" comprised of people from 6000 different cultures "work"? "equally importantly, rejects outright the conviction that: ".. And from many lands we come,...I AM, YOU ARE, WE ARE Australian...!!"" Yes, that sappy song should be seriously studied by the politically astute. Jay may be anti-miscegenation. That doesn't mean he's "pro-eugenics". Very different concepts, oh learned one. "How about we try some honest dialogue and understanding [HAH!]- to find acceptable common ground?" There can be no compromise between those who wish to retain our particular socio-biological character and those who wish to demolish it with artificially introduced ethnic chaos. Foxy, it's your ridiculous utopianism that will end up on the dung heap of history. Along with your forebears the Commies, Fascists, witch hunters and Inquisitors. They thought they could save us from ourselves too. Posted by Shockadelic, Saturday, 26 April 2014 6:30:13 PM
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Dear Shocker,
My forebearers fled the communists and the nazis after their families were tortured and killed. Others were sent to Siberian gulags. They lost not only their families but their country, their possessions, and their status in society. Just thought you should know before you start slinging accusations around. Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 26 April 2014 7:01:51 PM
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Yes Saltpetre,you understand what I'm talking about.
Normal, well meaning people in the English speaking countries are being hoodwinked into following "Racists" or "Anti Racists" depending on their personal convictions little knowing that they both meet in the middle and support the status quo, it's a diversion, a way to bleed energy out of genuinely alternative positions and sideline authentic dissent. If you want to see real neo Fascists and neo Communists in the wild look at Athens, or Hamburg or Barcelona http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OyAtxLV-HI Notice how they're actually fighting each other? There's nothing like this in Australia. In Europe "Racists" and "Anti Racists" settle disputes with baseball bats,shotguns and petrol bombs, in the anglosphere they only bait each other on Facebook because they're not genuinely committed activists, they all meet in the middle at Liberalism. You won't get what you want from the Left, I won't get what I want from the Right and neither of us will be satisfied with the centre. As Shockadelic points out none of the things we want are possible in a multi racial society, your egaltarianism will never be achieved nor will my inegalitarianism. Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 26 April 2014 7:39:36 PM
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Cont:
Foxy if your side can build a positive, equal, caring society from the demographic base that we have in 2014 then great! Sign me up, I'm happy with that. Your side however doesn't fill me with confidence because you're still thinking and speaking as though it's 1949 and you can build off the basis of the old Australia. Heck that model actually worked until the 1980's but notice how the egalitarian cause has been going backwards for about the last 20 years? It doesn't really matter if "Fascists" end up winning, we're more left than the left ever were, more liberal than the liberals and we're greener than any Green, we're all about healthy minds in healthy bodies in a healthy environment. If you could have marriage equality, equal pay for equal work, beautiful art and all your Liberal hearts desire in a clean, green futuristic society BUT that nation consisted only of people identifying as either White or Aboriginal would you emigrate there? Why is it important to have every ethnic group under the sun jammed into a society which is paralysed by ethnic and class divisions and in which these divisions grow more stark with each new generation? We can't to back to 1949, we can only go forward, where's the evidence that forward motion and the ascent of a society is absolutely reliant on racial assimilation? Bear in mind that the most successful mixed race societies are probably Brazil or Colombia, do you want Australia to look like Brazil in 50 years? See in a mixed race society you always (100% of the time)get White supremacy at one end and Black destitution at the other with coloureds, mulattoes, Asians and all in the middle, is that your idea of "progress"? This is why I've taken to calling your side White Supremacists, you know damn well what the future is going to look like and in that light all we can assume is that you're doing everything you can to ensure White Supremacy for your grandchildren. Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 26 April 2014 9:55:02 PM
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Neither of you know anything about "Racism" nor do you really understand "Anti Racism", I'm an expert on both so allow me to bring you up to speed on current developments.
I've explained about the ADL and the people who pull their strings, the same goes for One Nation, they create fake "Racist" outrage then gradually draw their supporters over to the Anti Racist side:
This is the English/Australian/Canadian/American Defence League spiritual leader, Rabbi Nachum Shifren:
http://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1106099672/Shifren.png
Their chief ideologue the former communist David Horowitz:
http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/4823/2144/320/128759/david-horowitz.jpg
High priestess Pamela Geller:
http://www.jewishtribune.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/1-Pamela-Geller1-e1367932373704.jpg
High priest Robert Spencer:
http://thebereanwatch.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Robert_Spencer_28.jpg
Indonesian-European consultant Geert Wilders (he dyes his hair to make himself look more Dutch and less Asian:
http://cdn.frontpagemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Wilders.jpg
Australian facilitator Nathan Abela, he's about as convincing a "White" man as Sir Peter Abeles was:
http://images.smh.com.au/2014/04/04/5322651/art-nathanabela-620x349.jpg
You lot getting the picture yet? There are no "Racists" in the "far right", the ADL and Q Society are "Judeo Christian", or to put it in honest terms "Judeo Liberals", they create a problem (Islamophobia), to get a reaction (Anti Racism) so they can put forward a solution (intercultural dialogue with moderate Muslims). What you end up with is, as is happening in the EDL in the U.K a leadership group who were never loyal to the White majority in the first place but who use the vehicle of widespread popular opposition to immigration to elevate their own pro intercultural, Anti White agenda to the mainstream.
So now "Tommy Robinson" the EDL leader has turned on the "thugs and extremists" who supported and protected him and he's now working with "moderate Muslims" to spread a message of tolerance and harmony.
Abela & Co of the ADL and associated groups are about to get their arses handed to them by "ANTIFA" next Friday in Brisbane, this is the point where the persecution narrative begins and the accommodation of "moderate" viewpoints creeps in until the "Racist" group has swung 180 degrees to an Anti Racist, Intercultural platform.