I have on many occasions railed against the poisonous rhetoric toward our Muslim citizens being aired with seemingly increasing frequency on OLO's forum. George Brandis however would have us believe 'everyone has a right to be a bigot' and people and property are not physically injured by words alone.

The problem is of course that once these virulent views are given oxygen, without being firmly countered, they give licence to those in our community who are prepared to give action to the rhetoric by targeting symbols of the Islamic faith in this country.

There have been a number of incidents over the last few months that speak of troubling times ahead for a nation that use to pride itself on its tolerant and accepting attitudes.

An example is the graffiti attack on a Cairns mosque which was daubed in the words 'Integrate or F_*! off'.

http://www.cairnspost.com.au/news/cairns/vandal-attack-shocks-peaceful-worshippers-of-cairns-mosque/story-fnjpusyw-1226753192491

Cairns police Sen-Constable Russell Parker said "As a multicultural society, we should take a very dim view of this sort of behaviour." Indeed.

Another is the vandalism experienced just this Sunday by a Canberra Islamic Centre, the second in a fortnight.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-16/clean-up-begins-at-islamic-centre-after-vandalism-attack/5395742

Federal Member for Canberra Gai Brodtmann said; "We will not accept it, there's no place for it in our society, in our community, and Canberrans today have sent a very strong message".

To me incitement should be met with censure and penalty. Ordinary Australians do not want to see any escalation of this type of targeted attack. It is not how they see themselves nor our country.

I do not think it is inaccurate to say dog whistle politics have raised racial and religious tensions in Australia. It will only be through vigilance and determination that we ensure the great ethics of tolerance and acceptance that have for so many years defined who we thought were were as a nation might ultimately be preserved.

It says it was a racist attack. Are Muslims a race now ? What if they find out it wasn't done by whities ?

Dear SteeleRedux,

Dr Eva Sallis discussed this problem way back in 2005
and wrote an article in The New York Times on the subject.
I think it's still relevant today:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/17/opinion/17sallis.html

Dr Sallis points out that the policies of mandatory
detention of asylum seekers and or most recent policies
on refugees are strongly linked with border protection
from 2001, and, as most asylum seekers of recent years have
been from the Middle East and Muslim South Asia "border
protection" has become protection from Muslim refugees in
the popular imagination.

Sallis tells us that "like the US, Australia has new
anti-terrorism legislation, first passed in 2002 and
significantly strengthened recently. Such laws have helped
to validate broader community mistrust of Arab and
Muslim Australians."

She says that "our government has done little to substantively
allay fears of Mulsim and Middle Eastern Australians generally
or to increase public understanding and appreciation of their
culture and contribution to Australian life."

We're told that "Arabic is the 4th most commonly used language
after English in Australia and the most commonly used after
English in NSW, Sydney's home-state, yet it is taught in
only a handful of schools and universities."

Sallis tells us that "prejudice creates what it fears by
curtailing young people's prospects. Young Arab Australians
are increasingly ghettoized in Sydney's poor suburbs -
where they struggle for education and jobs. Their families
are often prejudiced against non-Arab Australians, the
racism of the minority and that of the broader society
therefore reinforce each other."

I'll be back with more on "freedom of speech."

@Steele,

<<To me incitement should be met with censure and penalty. Ordinary Australians do not want to see any escalation of this type of targeted attack. It is not how they see themselves nor our country.>>

*EVERY* incident of vandalism should be met with censure of penalty. The <<poisonous rhetoric>> comes in when incidents of this type are singled out as something special whilst attacks on war memorials, political party headquarters or corporate assets & personnel are passed over as just another case of bad behavior.

I remember being in a university tutorial when the incident involving a certain TV personality who claimed to have been racial abused happen. The lecture/tutor/doctor swallowed it with glee and made great capital out of it.Had it been anything else she would have cautioned that we were only hearing one side of the story. But because it suited her political ends –just as the above suits yours Steele, and those who share your political warp–it was hyped to the hills.

LEST/WE-FORGET..His/legs..of..iron,
his_feet..part/of...iron..and/part..of clay...(Daniel..2:31-33)
http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/us-committing-treason-in-order-to-favor-israel

Passover/HOLOCAUST/palistein.jesus
http://bit.ly/P4UOsW
.“The point..of cleaning...OUR Heart..for Pesach
is..to remember..that we are leaving..comfort-zones..of HEARTH/home ,leaving..the things that..constrict us...[spiritually.]”–Rabbi Shimon Raichik

“The message..of Passover..is Freedom is won/not..on the battlefield but..in the classroom..and the home...Teach your children the history of freedom...if you want them TO live it.” -- Chief Rabbi Lord Sacks

“Pesach..is not only/about..that good of "freedom from."
It is about..our having the freedom.."to"..[make the world a more sacred place..by expanding OUR Awareness..OF God's presence..living of/on/WITH/in...ALL OF it.” – Rabbi David A. Teutsch

“This is..OUR ONE TRUE true freedom:..Our ability to shape reality.

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Teach them..not to look at reality..as defining their acts
but to look...at their acts..as COLLECTIVELY re-defining reality.” – Yaacov Cohen

"Freedom..is within our grasp,..and Pesach reminds us..that we need find the will..to Teach."..TO REACH..Above our station-- Rabbi Bradley Shavit Artson

Passover.is a time of reflection..and..recalling joy.
When we emerge..from our cocoon's/..Of doubt to fly freely
On the wings..of loving service..to other.

Blessed be ye..of the LIVING Lord
Who made heaven and earth...LIVE BY ENDLESS rebirth.
Happy CROSS-over!

Passing-over Celebrates/God's Gift of..life/logic/light and Love
May you see..His mighty hand..In every detail..Of your life..WITH/in others living...Happy P*assover

Shalom..from the prince/who Sought/THE PRICE.of /PEACE
On Passover and always..May you rejoice in..the living peace..only love of all..GODS pieces.[other] brings

“The mere thought..hadn't even begun to speculate
about..the merest possibility..of crossing..FROM..within/my SLEEPING mind.”

Douglas Adams

I Like/this quote
I dislike/THAT

this quote.“If man...could be crossed
with the cat,..it would improve man...but deteriorate..the dog.”

Mark Twain quotes

I have noticed..even people..who claim
that...everything is predestined,..foreordained
and that....we can do nothing..to change it,.YET/..EVEN..They.look before..they cross the road.”

Stephen Hawking

“The word.''Christianity''..is already..a misunderstanding
in reality......there has been..only one Christian,..and he died on the Cross.”

Friedrich Nietzsche

“Like two..doomed ships..that pass..in storm..
we...had crossed/each other's way:...but...we made no PEACE-sign,..we said no word,.we..had no word...to say.”

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by..their works..will ye know them..\this quote/..as was rote..
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2014/04/16/a-look-at-the-new-warsaw-ghetto-we-know-as-gaza/
http://english.wafa.ps/index.php?action=detail&id=24914
http://gulfnews.com/news/region/palestinian-territories/israel-blackmailing-palestinians-over-projects-1.1320266
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hfBla6r_CwE
http://rinf.com/alt-news/latest-news/rigging-game-palestinians/
http://investmentwatchblog.com/what-happens-when-all-assets-have-become-too-expensive/
brand-new..accounts/at..YouTube,with..no subscribers,..most..using actors'-names..are mirroring/economic..and..war/themed..videos,[hundreds,..a day]
http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com.au/2014/04/something-very-strange-is-going-on.html#.U023Xhw3Udq
http://rss.infowars.com/20140416_Wed_Alex.mp3

@SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 11:32:05 PM

The two reports demonstrate the opposite of what you appear to be alleging.

There is abundant evidence that the vandalism is unusual and that Australians do not find it acceptable at all.

No-one in their right mind would ever believe that Senator George Brandis would ever encourage such lawless behaviour, or that anything he has ever said or done would have that effect.

"I have on many occasions railed against the poisonous rhetoric toward our Muslim citizens being aired with seemingly increasing frequency on OLO's forum. George Brandis however would have us believe 'everyone has a right to be a bigot' and people and property are not physically injured by words alone." says Steele.

That's all right , were used to you talking rubbish, we just ignore it.

THE TWO EXPRESSions..prior to mine[at time of writing]
express freedom of speech..aND I SUPPORT EVERYONES RIGHT TO SPEAK

AS FAR AS I CAN TELL GEORGE BRANDS US..ALL AS EQUALLY SUBJECT TO
More free speaking..[considering the silence many have BEEN PUT INTO [BY A POWerful lobby no one dared naME..IS NO LONHER THe name of the GAME.

WHAT IM TRYING TO GET THIS FUTILE HUMAN TO WRITE
IS THE ABUSE AND Censure..of both left and the right
but its that key silencing METHODOLOGY OF THOSE SERVING THE 4 TH REICHE/zion...who want power to shut us up/but we cant do that..i no longer speak with SPEECH..now they want to take even my words

book burning comes to mind
OR COMMIES/Bolsheviks/Stalin/AND CHAIRMAN MOE
and there goes histler/who whist-led though the anus under his lIP
BUT WE GOT THAT MAD-DABY/THAT KOREAN/AND SO MANY MORE/WHO LOVE SHUTTING US up

ITS NEVER WRONG TO call a sword a sword
if its THE CORRECT DESCRIPTIVE OF WHAT WAS FORETOLD
THUS THE HARLOT..is known,,BUT IS EXPECTED TO REBIRTH..ANEW/Like sauL BECAME PAUL

anyhow every time i hear CENCURE MOTIONS I KNOW ITS JEw
so what BITS ARE THEY CHANGING..BUT ONES TOO LONG OVERDUE
ITS NOt about bolt..its about WELL WHO KNOWS TILL THE FRUITS GROW

SteeleRedux, there are already laws against any destructive "action" people might take, such the graffiti/vandalism mentioned.

"To me incitement should be met with censure and penalty."

And should the mere criticism of Muslim immigration or of Islam itself be considered "incitement"?

There has been no "incitement" to commit destructive "actions" "aired with seemingly increasing frequency on OLO's forum."

"dog whistle politics have raised racial and religious tensions in Australia"

Those tensions are already there, or there'd be no whistle to blow.

Foxy, 2nd or 4th most spoken language is still only a fraction of the population (1.3%)
*Every* language other than English is spoken by less than 2%.

If we must make an effort to teach anyone a language, it should be helping those who need better English skills.

Dear SteeleRedux,

Words as we all should know can do a great deal of harm -
especially to the most vulnerable in our society.
If you want to
stick the knife in without leaving a telling gash -
do it with words. The scar will be that much deeper.

Therefore if we removed all these protections - people
would risk having their lives disrupted, their
reputations besmirched, their businesses fail, and all
because of somebody's "right" to express whatever
wacky or ill-founded view them might hold.

Once someone is labelled - a wife beater, a sexual deviant,
an alcoholic, a child molester, a pervert,
a criminal, then there is the small
problem of "the more one doth protest," and this is assuming
that you've got the power (and resources) for your voice
to be heard.

It seems a bit fishy to me about focusing all our "free speech"
efforts on eradicating the rather weak protection that
currently exists for some of the most vulnerable people in
our society and leaving the rich and powerful fully protected.

If expressing our conscience is so important in a free society
why is it only the bigots who have this right?

All societies, including democratic ones, put various
limitations on what people may say, They prohibit certain
types of speech that they believe might harm the government or
the people. People who enjoy the rights of free speech have
a duty to respect other people's rights. A person's freedom
of speech is limited by the rights of others. We have laws
governing libel and slander, public decency, and urging
violence. Attorney Brandis should be looking at other
laws to repeal - not this one.

This thread does not recognise that Islam is not just a religion but a political movement and ideology.
We are in fact in a continuation of the original war started in the
6th century by Mohammad when he attacked the neighbouring Jewish towns.
This was followed by the invasion of the Jewish & Christian areas around Jerusalem.
This invasion resulted in the retaliation of the crusades and finally
the invasion of Nth Africa and Spain, and the defeat of the Moslem army at the gates of Vienna.

It would seem that a now openly military invasion is out of the question
so the new tactic of immigration and the Trogan Horse of the womens wombs
is now the modus operandi.

We are indeed at war.

SHOW/SHOKKERS-shocker<<..[the]..Foxy..[?],.2nd or 4th most spoken language..is still only.[spoken by?]..a fraction of the population (1.3%)>>

i thINK I GET WHAT YOUR SAying
and who your saying it to

[and THE FiRST TIME I READ IT I THOUGHT IT APPLIED TO ME TOo?

BIT THEN RECALL IM THE INVISIBLE PAIN..THAT ONLY Visit's here now and AGAIN

<<..*Every* language other than English
is>>.[AT BEST?..ON average?..presumed?]..<<..spoken by less than 2%>>

YEAH BUT GLOBALLY..HOW MANY USE ENGLISH
now many chinese//how many indians malay vietnamese arabs italians daNISHOR HEW/HOW MANY AFRICAN[YOU GET THE IDEA..WE ENGLISH SPEAKERS ARE A MINORITY.EVEN AMOUNT English speakers whitedont got the numbers.

<<..If we must make an effort to teach anyone a language, it should be helping those who need better English skills.>>>

OR BETTER EXPLAINING WHY THEY SHOULD ADOPT ITS LIMITATION[OR REVELATION?

first we need an excuse..what do we win
what do they loose/we wont learn their strange tongue..cause THEY LEarned more of theIR OWN MOTHER LINK back to when time was beguunT

Dear Foxy,

Thank you for the link and indeed it is as relevant today as it was in 2005. I do like her parting sentiment;

“If contemporary Australians are to live at ease with ourselves, we need more education, less fear mongering and, not least, greater honesty about the culture of racism that is so damaging us.”

An example of that dishonesty are the replies from individual and Shockadelic both looking to deflect rather than address this pernicious undercurrent in our society.

As to Brandis and free speech I think Wilcox did a great job.

https://twitter.com/cathywilcox1/status/448226332611063808/photo/1

Dear SPQR,

Of course a very real difference, one I would hope you would acknowledge. Attacks against “war memorials, political party headquarters or corporate assets” do not instil fear in a person purely because of their religion or race.

Dear onthebeach,

Let me list the Liberal party members you now deem not to be in their 'right mind';

Craig Lundy - "I believe we are potentially permitting acts that have no place in our wonderfully multicultural communities,’’

David Coleman - "In my view, the exposure draft does not achieve this balance, and needs to be amended to provide greater protection against racial discrimination. I will be conveying this view to my colleagues.’’

John Alexander - who met with Senator Brandis to 'express his opposition'.

Philip Ruddock and Ken Wyatt also expressed concerns.

Dear Hasbeen'

You wrote;

“That's all right , were used to you talking rubbish, we just ignore it.”

No you demonstrably do not. You read it, you digest it, then you inanely comment on it. Perhaps the solution might be that from now on when you see a thread of mine just don't open it and we can take hence forth take it as a given that you are ignoring it. In fact I promise to pause just before I click the 'post' button to think of Hasbeen studiously ignoring my comments.

As to 'we' I think the same holds for your other compatriots because they are all here commenting their little hearts out.

Religion.....the perfect crime.

It sure feels good to have no association.

Kat

Oh god, you've caught me. Steely says "No you demonstrably do not. You read it, you digest it," etc.

Well while I must admit I catch an occasional line of rubbish from your keyboard, let me assure you I don't ever "digest" any of it.

In fact I would not even let my dog digest such rubbish. Not only would the RSPCA probably charge me with cruelty to dumb animals, I don't want her to get sick & die, from eating such swill.

@Steele,

<<SPQR,Of course a very real difference...[My example showed attacks designed to]... instil fear in a person purely because of their religion or race.>>

Firstly, your second example/link --from a cursory reading -- could well be plain and simple a case of ransacking/vandalism, can't recall any slogans?

Secondly, how is the fear felt by an employee of a business targeted by animal rights activists (for example) any less than the "fear" felt by Muslims on seeing anti-Islamic graffiti -- Or, a motorist/ delivery driver caught up in rowdy anti-globalist/G8 demonstration?

You are pandering to one of your pet groups, 'fess-up?

funny when the 'progressives ' were warned of the stupidity of inviting people with a hate for the western nations to live here they scoffed. Now we see the outcome of their stupidity (obvious to anyone not closed minded and bigotted) they want to blame those complaining about 'white trash 'being raped, polygamy and child brides. They are incapable of humbling themselves and facing up to their stupidity.Go to France, England, Sweden, Germany or anywhere else where the 'progressives ' have had their way and their stupidity is blatantly obvious.

Hi Steelie,

Has it ever occurred to you that you never, ever, respond to the questions asked?

Life is such a bitch of course, especially if your “opinion” is challenged. You have morphed into a “concerned troll”. You say, I think this and that, and then you throw in that progressive starter for abdication, you know the “but’ word.

We are increasingly aware on OLO of your “style”. It does not work any more, time to update from ancient “progressive scrolls”, they no longer work.

You have retained support from Foxy and OUG, the rest have sort of, abandoned you. This is great because we know what we are dealing with but for you, this is not a great look.

So, yes there may have been attacks on Muslim communities and possibly even individuals “but”, there have also been horrific attacks by Muslims on western communities?

When such as you try to distance yourself from your culpability for the influx of immigrants that increasingly feature in both local and international crimes like foreign wars, you offer us the old “but” word. How convenient?

Australians should be given the opportunity to vote for those we send to fight foreign sectarian and “cultural” conflicts. How would you like me to vote for you?

Dear SteeleRedux,

Waleed Aly gave an interesting lecture to the Senate
entitled - "Multiculturalism, Assimilation, and the
Politics of Terrorism." It's worth reading and gives
another perspective in this discussion. If you Google
"Waleed Aly - Lecture to the Senate," - you'll be able
to click onto it. At present I'm having computer problems.
I hope you can access it.

Foxy says: <<"Waleed Aly - Lecture to the Senate ...[I can't link you to it, or quote huge slabs of it] ... At present I'm having computer problems.>>

Allah is merciful!

Dear SPQR,

Explain to me how your having a problem
with Muslims - is a problem for others
in this country?

Sigmund Foxy,

Do two things for me, please:
1) Define "problem", and
2) Show me where you were elected to speak on behalf of "others" --or anyone else?

one under god "[and THE FiRST TIME I READ IT I THOUGHT IT APPLIED TO ME TOo?"

It does.
Less than 2% of the population understand your language.

"*Every* language other than English is>>.[AT BEST?..ON average?..presumed?]..<<..spoken by less than 2%>>"

Ever heard of the Census?

"YEAH BUT GLOBALLY..HOW MANY USE ENGLISH"

Who cares?
We're discussing Australian society, not the whole world.

Even if we were the *only* people who spoke English, it would still be the dominant language *here*.

Many languages are spoken only in *one* country or by one people, but are the definitive language of that people/location.

"OR BETTER EXPLAINING WHY THEY SHOULD ADOPT ITS LIMITATION[OR REVELATION?"

Because (a) over 98% of *our* population don't speak their language, and (b) over 76% speak English *only*.
This is the society they live in.

Why should the 76% be the ones who need to adapt, rather than the 2%?
That is impractical and inefficient, as well as a damned insult.

If minorities want to "LINK back to when time was beguun" they can go back to their ancestral homelands.
Party like it's 1499.

SteeleRedux, please *quote* my "dishonesty".

I don't "deflect" these matters. I discuss them straightforwardly.

But I don't think the perfectly normal and natural resistance to foreigners, present at all times and places in all peoples throughout world history, is the "problem".

Without that resistance, none of the peoples you claim to love so much would exist!

The problem is what's causing those reactions: our displacement by aliens.

"Attacks against “war memorials, political party headquarters or corporate assets” do not instil fear in a person purely because of their religion or race."

And why should the latter be "special" cases, accorded more weight than the former?

Dear SPQR,

Go back and re-read your posts.
And, unless you are conceptually and
ethically impaired - you should be able
to see the problem.

Good evening to you STEELEREDUX...

Gee wiz, we're giving this whole multicultural thing a real 'doing over' aren't we ? There are those, who support M.C., and there are others who do not ! The question of individuals placing graffiti on Mosques and other religious building, of a kind that's clearly derogatory or offensive to Muslims should not be tolerated by police. The act of 'criminal damage' occasioned by the application of graffiti to the building, is viewed quite seriously, and police should act in order to discover the author of the crime.

Another thing that seems to escape most people, including you STEELEREDUX...You can introduce legislation, appoint any number of of 'Commissioner's of Ethnic Equality' ? But at the end of the day, you simply CAN'T legislate, people's hearts and their minds ! In an attempt to either communally embrace these migrants, or even pretend to 'like' people of a different ethnicity or religion ?

It's natural, the more you compel people, the greater the resistance will become. Until, as a result of all your legislative coercion and compulsion, you ultimately precipitate a strong backlash which creates a far greater loathing of these immigrants. To a point where they're even viewed with total abomination and hatred. It should be noted herein, this process is a decisive reciprocal activity ! And in some countries, results in civil war.

The big plus for freedom of speech and a distaste for censorship is that it permits SteeleRedux, Foxy and others to vent their spleen against their fellow countrymen. Or at least against those considered 'white' whom they thoroughly despise.

There is no evidence whatsoever to support the allegations in the OP or the OP poster's later posts or in the posts of his/her supporters to even suggest that Australians are racist or that the censorship and denial of free speech of repressive laws are required to control the good citizens of Australia.

As I said earlier, where are the facts, show me the evidence, because what is available from police reports proves the exact opposite of what SteeleRedux, Foxy and others habitually allege and insinuate against Australians.

What about some attention for the real vulnerable in society, such as the elderly, because there is only just so much money available from that bucket of taxes taken compulsorily from other working citizens. How can young working couples ever hope to have children themselves when they are forever groaning under the millstone of extra taxes to support the victim advocacy professionals and their eternal 'victims' who swing from the government teat?

Whither freedom of speech and can the young Aussie taxpayer afford more years of the victim industry?

arjay/Tquote..<<>.This pre-occupation with illegals is a just a distraction from the real game of looting our economies and keeping us peasants subjugated>>
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=16224&page=0
see how they sell suberbia..O US..in sitcoms
we bought into the dream..instead of family we are 'the team'
or the state..or the nationality..or the sex..or the skin..GROUP/MOB

my point is we are all..being made over into clones..
ONE BRUSH TARS US ALL/WE ARE ALL SINNERS/WE ARE ALL IMMIGRANTS.

we are all children
of the one most holy living living merciful wholly spirit.

how to explain..to loved ones..whats going d
own globally is they give us foodstamps or subsistence dole/
where most half/govt income..goes back direct to some capitalist ..landlord/tax free off shored trust..stealing govt bailout cash

[we ARE SEEING REAL ESTATE UP AGAIN IN IRELAND..yet still 5000 ghost estates..they bought up pennies in the pound..stand empty

but/what if..we could..get cash/from govt via rent assistance for immigrants ..nice sure govt cash-flow..to fill to fill the capitalist bill..dole/rent assistance..

[yet more drain/from the public purse..filled only by selling more public services..[privatisations..of govt income streams..or by ever more sin taxes or fees fines revenue acces chargES/other increases in govt theft..[read tax burden]

WE ARE SEEING HOUSES GO UP/..YET/SEEING EVICTIONS AND REPOSSESSIONS..homeless joblessness broken homes..go up to

THEN..HUGE GOVT..bailout/mates..with TAX ADVANTAGED FIRMS CREATING THE NEXT INVESTMENT BOND..bubble..[bunded RENTED HOUSING]...damm caps..ie the next bubble[rental houses paid for immigrants via dole payments]

its a hidden bailout/
THE GROWTH MODEL DEMANDS
but..ONLY PUTS further NON PRODUCTIVE/Burden on us...ALL .GLOBALLY..
http://rss.infowars.com/20140417_Thu_Alex.mp3

i wish people would..get the facts
http://whatreallyhappened.com/node
GIVE THINGS A REST
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=16225&page=0

@Foxy,

<<unless you are conceptually and ethically impaired - you should be able to see the problem>>

Yep, it seems that I must be conceptually & ethically impaired --I'll just have to rely on you to explain it--looking forward to reading your analysis.

Steel, I think you will find that most people against the Muslims are actually, like myself, against the religion, not the people.

As for our multicultural nation, I didn't vote for that, did you?

Dear SPQR,

Any explanations would be a waste
of time to a conceptually and ethically impaired
person.

Dear SteeleRedux,

There is so much on the web dealing with the issues you've
raised in this discussion - from a variety of sources.
Here's another link that may be of interest to you:

http://www.smh.com.au/national/racism-on-the-rise-in-australia-migrants-report-cultural-shift-20140405-365a5.html

The article tells us that -

"Dealing with prejudice is a way of life for many Australians.
Being harassed on public transport, not getting a job interview
because of your Middle-Eastern-sounding name, or missing out
on a rental property because of your skin colour..."

We're told that the latest Mapping Social Cohesion Survey by
the Scanlon Foundation found 19 per cent of Australians were
discriminated against because of skin colour, ethnic origin
or religious beliefs last year. Up from 12 per cent in 2012.
It was the highest level since the Survey began in 2007.

Experts attribute the rise in everyday racism to economic
uncertainty, the surge in asylum seeker boat arrivals and
the current political leadership that wants to weaken parts of
the Racial Discrimination Act.

When George Brandis declared "People do have the right to be
a bigot you know," he virtually gave the 30 per cent of
Australians who feel uncomfortable with cultural diversity
tacit approval to air their prejudices - as comments on this
discussion and others in this forum show us.

It is interesting that the proposed changes to the
Racial Discrimination Act will be judged by the standards
of the privileged majority, not the affected minority.
The majority will determine what is racist.

All of us have our prejudices - against the rich or the
poor, the smart or the slow, the gaunt or the obese, the
progressive or the conservative, and so on. It is natural
to develop prejudices.

It is noble to rise above them.

Dear Hasbeen,

It certainly will be a preventative measure for the health of your digestion if you decline to partake in my offerings so no more my good chap, doctor's orders!

Dear SPQR,

You wrote; “how is the fear felt by an employee of a business targeted by animal rights activists (for example) any less than the "fear" felt by Muslims on seeing anti-Islamic graffiti -- Or, a motorist/ delivery driver caught up in rowdy anti-globalist/G8 demonstration?”

Strewth mate. Really? If you can't see the difference then I'm not sure I can assist.

Dear runner,

Classic case of blaming the messenger and the victim. So no words about the fear instilled in by these actions upon a religious group?

Dear SPQR,

You wrote; “Has it ever occurred to you that you never, ever, respond to the questions asked?”

No because I endevour to ask all questions that are put to me, I just expect answers to those I put in return. If that doesn't happen I am happy to wait until it does. You put to me the following;

“How would you like me to vote for you?”

My answer: No.

My question to you is when you wrote; “yes there may have been attacks on Muslim communities and possibly even individuals “but”, there have also been horrific attacks by Muslims on western communities? Why did you offer up no condemnation of the acts I flagged, acts that happened on our soil and in our communities and why did you feel the need to place “but” in quotation marks?

As to your other remarks I think any abandonment occurring is by progressives from this forum, even the not so progressives like belly have succumbed. What use to be an interesting place of fairly civil discussion has turned into trench warfare. The fact that your 'gang' has become even more vociferous, more haranguing, more belligerent after an Abbott victory is not unsurprising and I know you lot count each person quitting as a scalp, but I am not going anywhere soon.

Cont...

Cont...

You are the one who is choosing to jump into bed with the likes of jay of melbourne and onthebeach, how are the fleas going?

Dear foxy,

Thank you for the link. Walled's statement about migrants being among the most hard-line anti-refugee groups was telling but this comment really struck me;

“Your question can you be an Australian and a Muslim at the same time is not actually a question for most Australian Muslims. At least it wasn’t until it became a big social question and they said ‘well maybe I can’t be’. People who are doing well, like small business owners running successful businesses, either born here or who came here very young, are telling me ‘I was integrated, now I’m dis-integrating’. That is something to think about, I think.”

The great concern is of course anti-muslim vandalism causing individuals and communities to withdraw to a greater degree from our societies. In a way these are acts of anti-assimilation.

Dear shockadelic,

Why are they different? One word – Kristallnacht.

Dear o sung wu,

I don't want to see people's hearts and minds legislated against what I do want is the poison peddlers and the inciters to be checked because I see their actions as a direct threat to my community. You want to bang on with your mates how little esteem you hold for indigenous people but you go screaming that sentiment out over the heads of my children at a footy match and either I go and sort you out or I call security and have you put a sock in it. Laws give security the right to intervene on my behalf, without them violence is far more likely, what do you prefer?

Dear onthebeach,

Again, victim, victim, victim? What on earth is a victim industry?

Dear rehctub,

If you voted for either of the major parties you are voting for multicultralism because both are strong supporters of it. I have on occasion voted for one or the other so yes I have voted for it.

DAVID/QUOTE..<<..To prevent a recurrence of the religious wars that had ravaged Europe..they wrote a constitution which did not mention God or Christ...and implied separation of church and state.>>

FROM/WHY..WE BROKE/THE LAW
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=16224&page=0

DAVID SAID/TO A YOUNG CHRISTIAN..<<..Other western nations have followed that example, and there is a great degree of separation of church and state in many of them.>>

ITS NOT MY PLACE TO HIJACK HER THREAD TO REPLY
PLUS NO POSTS FOR TWO HOURS/ARTICLES
BUT TO SAVE DISTRACTING..A RIGHTFUL/BURST
LETS SAY HERE THE STATE HAS FULLY SUBVERTED/PERVERTED RELIGION
BU HOW TO YELL THE INNOCENT?

<<>.It is not Christianity that is the civilising influence. It is the separation of church and state that has limited the barbarism of religion.>>

as we covered..here..

<<The separation has also benefited religion. Christians and followers of other religions can look to their religion to challenge the excesses of the state. That is what Laura Vertigan has done.>>

so she thinks..she has done
but govt by giving/granting..the church charity status/iE GOVT BY TAX Exemptions..has installed many elitist agendas into our every charity licensed church..[the church of cod]..dont pay ceaser..YET GREASE THE SKIDS TO KILL OUR KIds/kill our innocence..and tax us to dead..so dead corperations/inc/ltd survive off our life bood

i have to obey the edict
should go to mradi-grass
but must work..must work

what if the sun just stopped shining/went away for a night and a whole day
what would that say?..or if life just stopped..one day..as the much rejected living wholly holy spirit sustraining us our ife..just cwent pon holy day

how do we make oiur heart beat/or find logic from the inputs of our senses..how to make the bone heal..or our skin regrow..but its easy to ignore our loyal god sustaining the sun to shine..the holy living spirit..in life fully in-formed..from within..what if they went away..on sabbath..because we forgot.
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=16225&page=0

@Steele,

Firstly, let me protest that the second quote you attributed to me was not from me. Must the head shots you've taken that have made you a little punch drunk!

Re the matter I DID post -- tell me how do you gauge fear levels?

I mean, if an employee of a business comes in one morning to find graffiti sprayed all over his/her workplace entrance to the effect that we of the SteeleRedux Animal Liberation Group hate what your employer is doing and we are going to bomb the place or post you Anthrax virus. His/her level of angst is less than that of a Muslim who sees the graffiti:"Integrate or F off"

Or an aged war veteran who went through the horrors of war but turns up on ANZAC day to find sprayed across the war memorial "All men are rapists" would feel less angst that the of a Muslim who sees the graffiti: "Integrate or F off""

To quote your good self:<<Strewth mate. Really?>>
They certainly programmed you well!

Some Muslim fanatics probably did that graffiti because they're desperate for an excuse to villefy the bad australian racists. Remember the Mabo grave dessecration ?

Foxy says; <<Any explanations would be a waste of time to a conceptually and ethically impaired person>>

Translation: I could NOT find anything on New Matilda to link to that might even half answer your challenge, so I will side step out of this one "meet you on another thread".

Dear SPQR,

You obviously find yourself unable to articulate
cohesive thoughts.
Best to keep your mouth shut.
Over use of insults makes may make you sound stupid.
It certainly doesn't make you sound clever. ;-)

Dear SteeleRedux,

I am glad that you were able to access Waleed Aly's
speech to the Senate. I found that it was spot on.

Our politicians have relied on the politics of fear for
more than a decade to cover their failures in many areas.
Our society seems to be being divided into a "them" and
"us" scenario. It would be great if instead of blaming
"them" for their behaviour - more attention was paid to the
factors that made "them" behave abnormally and try to corrent
thes factors.

People who are in denial about racism in this country
are simply ignorant. Lets look at the facts - we imprison
brown asylum seekers, we once celebrated our national day
with a white racist riot. There were assaults on Indian
students, a little political organisation called
One Nation, and of course "the intervention" - the heraldic
beak on our long hawkish treatment of Indigenous Australians.

All someone has to do is keep their eyes and ears open on a
daily basis. They don't have to venture far from their
front door in this country to encounter racist attitudes or
hear racist remarks and jokes.

@Foxy,

Sorry dear, but OLO is not your library --so you are not in position to tell anyone when they can talk, or what they can say.

Dear SPQR,

I'm not "telling" - merely professionally advising -
occupational habit.
However, as SteeleRedux pointed out -
"Whatever floats your boat."
You want to look stupid - your choice.

@Foxy,

<<occupational habit> LOL

Foxy this is the only occupational *habit* I could envisage you with/in:
http://www.oshonews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/mother-superior.jpg

Or this:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4z_1DKz4nWs/UZhp7kvYr2I/AAAAAAAANvk/5UcFhEZgKdU/s1600/mother-superior.jpg

Or, poooosssssibly this:
http://images.esellerpro.com/2152/I/164/93/lrgscaleSF-0033_800.jpg

Mind you if you were the last one I would obey your every command!

......."Dealing with prejudice is a way of life for many Australians.
Being harassed on public transport, not getting a job interview
because of your Middle-Eastern-sounding name, or missing out
on a rental property because of your skin colour..."

So Foxy, forgetting about the fact that we Aussies are so popular, how do you think this type of treatment differs form other countries? In fact, in many countries one can't even buy a house unless they are a national, let alone be supported by the tax payer.

Furthermore, there are few races thatbget discriminated against more than Muslims and I say this is because of the religion, more so than the people themselves.

The laws about the burka also cause tension, mainly due to their favorite treatment.

On that note, anyone who goes to a Muslim country and preaches Christianity risks being shot. How is that acceptable, because nobody here is in fear of their lives just from being a Muslim.

Dear SPQR,

You're entitled to imagine whatever you want.
Wherever your fantasy takes you about me.
I wouldn't dream of trying to correct or
stop you old chap.
I'm too busy being fabulous.

Hi there STEELEREDUX...

I reckon you should calm down a bit ol' man ? It appears you're getting a little bit animated, all because other people are expressing an opinion that's apparently antithetical to yours ? I've always held the view, regardless how spirited a discussion may've become, at the end of it all, you're a reasonably composed, measured gentleman ?

However, in response to my rather minuscule, and relatively innocuous piece you've stridently alleged, that I've said something along the lines of;
'...banging on with my mates on how little esteem I hold for indigenous people...' and later, '...you're going to sort me out, or summon security...' ?

I'd not expect you to become quite so aggressive old fella ? I realise I've not read all the threads thus far, but someone has obviously pressed your buttons STEELEREDUX ? Is it because, you're pained, at the apparent loss of the point you've attempted to make, and you now feel a little impotent in terms that, you'd dearly like to grab one the vocal protagonists amongst the dissenters, and give them a good flogging, is that it STEELEREDUX ?

Perhaps a nice cup of tea or coffee, might just be the elixir or tincture of choice that'll soothe a bruised ego ?

Dear o sung wu,

At first glance I did not have a single clue what you were talking about but on a second reading I get it. I am about to head out to a dinner but had to reply to correct the record.

The 'you' I was referring to was not an o sung wu you, (as neat as that sounds) by purely me putting a scenario.

I will state for the record I have not seen you pen derogatory comments about our indigenous folk and do not regard you as having racist views in this regard. Indeed you might recall me confessing to that sort of behaviour in my own youth.

The reason why I raised that scenario to you was because of the legal/enforcement implications. Police have the power to address those who use profanities in public places. Racist inflammatory remarks made in public and directed at minorities should be actionable.

As the Sen-Constable said "As a multicultural society, we should take a very dim view of this sort of behaviour."

But I am going to acknowledge my words have been taken by you in a context that was not my intention. I apologise to you for any distress they may have caused and will endeavour to be more concise in the future.

Kind regards,

Steeleredux

SteeleRedux "What use to be an interesting place of fairly civil discussion has turned into trench warfare."

You mean a place of mutual progressive arse-kissing has been taken over by the enemy.
Poor baby.

Expect the same in society at large.
We are winning. You are losing.
Your ludicrous experiment was doomed to fail, sooner or later.

As o sung wu says "the more you compel people, the greater the resistance will become."

Your kind has been push, push, pushing multi down our throats for decades.
This creates a backlash, resistance, hostility.
You see this and push, push, push a little more.

Our throats can't take any more. We're throwing it all back up.

You don't need state *laws* controlling speech for the footy security to act.
That depends on the policies of those running the stadium.

"Why are they different? One word – Kristallnacht."

Is this a response to another thread?
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6323&page=0

I have no idea what point you're making.
Kristallnacht is the worst thing in history, eh (before the Holocaust)?

Steele,
All acts of vandalism and graffiti are to be condemmed. Like you, I am a bigot who thinks such should not be tolerated. There are many things in our society we should be intolerant about. I will not tolerate thieves, murderers, rapists, extortionists or home invaders for example. Nor the bribers and gate crashers that invade our country and gain illegal entry, then lie to our officials. Don't you agree that we should not tolerate them?

Foxy,
You said, "People who are in denial about racism in this country
are simply ignorant. Lets look at the facts - we imprison
brown asylum seekers, we once celebrated our national day
with a white racist riot. There were assaults on Indian
students, a little political organisation called
One Nation, and of course "the intervention" - the heraldic
beak on our long hawkish treatment of Indigenous Australians".

Very impressive list of 'facts', except they are not factual evidence of racism. For a librarian your concept of racism appears to be way off course. Perhaps you need a new dictionary.

Can you show evidence of racism and please do not quote Phillip Adams or New Matilda?

Dear rehctub,

I agree with you that Muslims are discriminated against
because of their religion. I don't think anyone is
disputing that fact. However in our democratic society
it should not be acceptable to point to any religion
as the basis of prejudice and discrimination. And what
the critics of Islam ignore is the behaviour of other
religions and concentrate on attacking Muslims because
this plays well in the current political environment.
They largely seem to ignore what Christians and others do.

Here's an interesting article that gives food for thought:

http://theconversation.com/its-not-just-islam-most-religions-are-discriminatory-13817

Dear Banjo,

Try working through this discussion from page 1 -
onwards. Many links have been provided for you
from a wide variety of sources on the subject by both
myself, SteeleRedux, and others on examples of
racism in this country. It is also identified in research -
Scanlon Foundation the National
data from the Challenging Racism Project
was released in 2011 and gave us
information about the prevalence of racism and
attitudes about racism.

If this does not satisfy you you can always Google the
subject for yourself on the web.

There's nothing more that I can do for you.
However, I suspect that no matter what's presented - you
will continue to reject the evidence as you've done thus
far.

Do you know what we call opinion that rejects evidence.
We call it prejudice.

Foxy,
This is the calibre of person who becomes an Imam,he can't even quote the Koran in defence of his "religion" when challenged by Robert Spencer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfyXUszMyOk

Foxy,
The "Challenging Racism" report is biased, Anti Racists cannot be trusted when they speak about Racism.
Go and read the footnotes on the National Anti Racism Strategy, it's laughable, then go and read the mission statement of the Scanlon Foundation.
Foxy by my last count a few years ago there were over 50 dedicated Anti Racism groups in Australia and zero pro Racism groups, look again at the NARS and point out to me where it identifies the specific sources of racism?
Who are the chief Racists? Can you name them?
Who are the racist facilitators in government? In the Police? The Public Service? The education system? The health services?
Can you name the racist employers? Could you quote a specific HR policy document which promotes racism?

BTT

OK guys, which of these two images are you most likely to be traumatized by (assume you were the target of each):

A
http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2013/11/05/1226753/162118-graffiti.jpg

or,

B
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-a0LjbbWzw4s/UGQmuaJN-YI/AAAAAAAAAh0/xbiK0BIHjM0/s400/behead-those-who-insult-islam.jpg

Steele had little to say about incident B --but he is frothing with righteous indignation about A.

WHAT SAY YOU?

Foxy,
You gave 5 specific issues or events that you said were 'facts' of racism.

Can you show that these were racist matters, or is it just in your own mind?

It is not unusual for some to change the meaning of words to suit their argument or put others on the defensive.

On what grounds do you claim the 5 matters to be racist?

SPQR,
The best sign I've seen was carried by a burka clad woman in London some years ago, it read:-

BEHEAD THOSE WHO CLAIM ISLAM IS VIOLENT

Since 9/11 there have been 22900 terrorist attacks.

For the month of March 2014, there were 216 attacks causing 1479 dead and 2093 critically injured.

Last week in Nigeria muslims massacred 300 and abducted 130 school girls for sex slavery.

Yep, we should be tolerant of Islam, the religion of peace.

Hi all...

I've stated this F A C T ad nauseam, the Sydney suburb of Bankstown and it's environs, has now become the titular Head Office or 'Mission Control' for many of Sydney's most violent Islamic crime gangs ! There's no serious crime that's NOT been committed or orchestrated in, or from this specific area. During hours of darkness, nobody save a Muslim, can safely traverse through any part of this once, ordinary middle class suburb ? Furthermore, police are at their wit's end in attempting to determine how to restore the streets and public places back, for safe public use ?

The number of illicit firearms, edged weapons, impact weapons, and other instruments of death etc., to be found in the possession of these vicious criminal gangs, is absolutely astonishing ! Moreover, whenever police have the need to execute a warrant in one of these areas, invariably it involves a 'hard entry' strategy.

This portrayal ladies and gentlemen is a stark reminder of our near future. Unless or until governments stop, or at the very least, strictly regulate this unfettered immigration of Islamic refugees into our country.

Until government's decide to remove all remnants of this maddening 'political correctness' that seemingly was enacted to protect many of these groups, apparently through their religious alliances ? And in so doing, thoroughly impedes many of the already frustrated law enforcement authorities, from decisively cleaning-up these extraordinarily vicious,criminal enterprises !

Until our governments finally decide enough is enough we, the public, shall continue to be held to ransom in our own country, and there's not a damn thing we can do about it ?

Hi there STEELEREDUX...

I trust you enjoyed your dinner ? May I ask what culinary creation were your treated too this evening ?

Your clarification of your remarks are noted, and apologies are quite unnecessary. I trust we'll again engage
in a little 'cut 'n thrust' in the very near future ? Until then, I cordially bid you a good evening.

banjehova/quote..<<..Since 9/11 there have been 22900 terrorist attacks.>>

how many 'terrorist attacks has the extra spying searching/WEB WATCHING SITE DELETIONS..EXTRA POLICE POWERS..DOUBLING OF Armed forces achieved?

in usa//more people were killed by police
more people Killed by auto's in one month..than all the acts of terror evER..[OF course the biggest killers drive drones or napalm bomb 12 million japs into DUST..OVER SAW THE MURDER OF 25 MILION CHRISTIANS ON DEATH MARCHES

THE Point is..you may have a source/that has put some spin..on this extra spending on spying on our emails/phones everything

<<..For the month of March 2014, there were 216 attacks causing 1479 dead and 2093 critically injured.>>

how many 'in the west?'

huh?
how many of these were arabs/muslims?
killed via 'secret counter intel ops?

lest we forget that seal team.6]..who supposedly 'got binlarden'
WHO THEM SELVES GOT KILLED ONE MONTH LATER/ASSASSINATED..ADDED TO THE DEATH TOLL?

THEN WE GOT THe 20 deaths/ruled suicide by veterns
that are rumored to be clean ups..to cover over stuff they did like seal team six.

<<>>Last week in Nigeria muslims massacred 300 and abducted 130 school girls for sex slavery.>>

can we not bias/this with further well poisoning?
lest we forget maGGie thatchers son runs guns to afrikans/to set up criminal networks..for asset stripping/like the bundi ranch..thing is/here you are spinning their spin

.<<..Since 9/11 there have been 22900 terrorist attacks.>>
how many in the west?

you..should be tolerant of Islam, the religion of peace
but your masters so love killing/they dont hesitate even killing their own/they set up these operations/globally..[ya ignorant nimby]

Dear shocker,

You wrote; “Poor baby”.

Don't feel sorry for me mate all is good at this end. I'm not saying what has happened to the forum is either good or bad just a product of time and circumstance. Abbott, Morrison and Brandis have obviously ushered in a period in which you and your ilk feel free to spew your poison. Staying here and challenging that vileness is in some ways as rewarding as civil discussion so for that at least you have my thanks.

Dear banjo,

You wrote;

“There are many things in our society we should be intolerant about. I will not tolerate thieves, murderers, rapists, extortionists or home invaders for example. Nor the bribers and gate crashers that invade our country and gain illegal entry, then lie to our officials. Don't you agree that we should not tolerate them?”

Sure, but any genuine refugee should be treated with decency and respect as fitting a compassionate nation like Australia regardless how they arrived here.

You also wrote;

“The best sign I've seen was carried by a burka clad woman in London some years ago, it read:- BEHEAD THOSE WHO CLAIM ISLAM IS VIOLENT”

No you didn't. No Burka clad woman carried a sign in London some years ago reading that at all. You sir are an A-grade poison peddler and you really need to take a serious look at yourself. You are either wilfully propogating this sort of crap knowing it is false or you are just stupidly and ignorantly regurgitating falsehoods. Tell you what, you show me a genuine picture of a your woman and I will take a week off the forum. If you can't then how about you doing the same.

Dear o sung wu,

An apology was indeed necessary and I thank you for accepting my clarification. Thank you as well for your inquiry as to the fare of which I was privileged to avail myself tonight. The main was, in accordance to cultural Christian norms, a seafood chowder. Very pleasant indeed.

The night was made even more remarkable as my host's great-grandfather had served on the Western Front and we spent some period pouring over the small suitcase containing all the letters he wrote home to his sweetheart, one a week for at least 2 years. We discussed how we could get them digitised and published, on the web at the very least. It could prove to be an interesting and evocative project.

@Steele & co

I swear that some posters on this thread are internet bots --programmed to spruik!

Steele & co see this:
http://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/behead-those-who-insult-islam.jpg

And this

Qur’an 9:29-Fight against Christians and Jews ”until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.”

Qur’an 4:91- If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant.

. Qur’an 9:7-9-Don’t make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted.

But all we get is:
<<Abbott, Morrison and Brandis have obviously ushered in a period in which you and your ilk feel free to spew your poison>> [Steele]

It is almost inconceivable that anyone could be aware of my link/citations above and still respond with: <<Abbott, Morrison and Brandis have obviously ushered in a period in which you and your ilk feel free to spew your poison>>!

And we get this from his sidekick:
Racist racist racist ..Australia is racist [paraphrasing Foxy]

And it is interesting to note Foxy is still ranting-on about << assaults on Indian students>> long after it was shown the attacks were perpetrated by *new migrants* to OZ...just goes to show you cant teach a old dog new tricks

And as for One Under God, he sounds like a bot that has malfunctioned.

dear spickyou..YOU OFFERED ..<<..A Burka clad woman carried a sign>>

i see a burka woman taking a photo..of a kid holding A SIGN
a photo..of the back of a sign..with another sign on the back of it

it sort of reminds me of one of your
kick the bots butt signs you stick on your own butt.

how many times we need correct them out of context quotes
set IP OR PHOT0 SHOPPED PICTURE..you BUTT BOTTS SO DELIGHT IN POSTING/RE POSTING AND SET UP TO POST/ITS LAME..BUT THATS YOUR DUMB GAME seeking TO KEEP PUSHING YA BARROW

ANYHOW NO WOMAN *HOLDING A SIGN

AT BEST A WOMAN Taking a photo of a kid holding a sign/by design
saying god is love/with the opposite written out of her sight

its clear you deceived

SEE YA

OUG,
It may surprize you that there are websites that keep tally of terrorist attacks. At least one documents them, with country, town, dead and injured, and date, so they can be verified. You seem good at finding links, you could try.

You may also note that the terrorists kill more muslims than non muslims.

The 300 massacred in Nigeria last week, and the abducted girls was all over the MSM as well. Did you not see that?

You mentioned well poisioning, that would not surprize me either but I think they prefer killing methods that spill blood.

Steele,
I have no respect for those that gate crash our country. But they are treated with far more respect than they deserve. They are housed, fed, phones are allowed and internet available. Even given sports and recreation facilities. Home away from home.

The woman in London did have a sign saying BEHEAD THOSE THAT CLAIM ISLAM IS VIOLENT. Believe it or not, Just like the woman in Sydney who had her baby carry a sign calling for beheadings. She could see nothing wrong or violent with that. It did not occur to her she was promoting violent deaths. This is the mindset of the muslim demonstrators.

Dear SteeleRedux,

I've written in the past that -
we can know a great deal about the history
of racism in this country. But knowing brings
burdens which can be shirked by those living in
ignorance. With knowledge the question is no longer
what we know but what we are now to do, and that's
a much harder matter to deal with. It will perplex us
for many years to come. Many things have changed over
the years - yet for some - many things still remain
the same. On the whole, tolerance and understanding have
broadened out for many people and bigotry is in retreat
for many of us. But the racist past still weighs
heavily on the present as we can see from some of
the comments in this discussion - however I don't
believe that they will destroy any hope we have for a
better future. I am optimistic for the coming generations.
The old-mindsets will eventually die out and hopefully
with them, the old prejudices.

I wish you and yours, and everyone on this forum -
a Happy Easter. May you all enjoy the Easter break.

did you come before banjo patterson..or after
[its age old disinfo teqnique]

anyhow
its common intel stuff..to do dis-info/its called poisoning the well/like let japs bomb pearl harbor/or sink the lucitania/WEAPONS OF MASS DISTRACTION..ETC
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ARTICLE5/index.php

its happening..but we expose your lies as you create them
http://rss.infowars.com/20140418_Fri_Alex.mp3

WE WILL NOT BE DIVIDED
we know after you divide us you con-queer us
rot in hell sequeb..your links are long refuted/but you bots forgot

you got no thought..just repeating the same lies
like its new news..we wont be fooled yet again

TODAYS special ops/NOTES

http://www.activistpost.com/2014/04/more-propaganda-fake-leaflets-telling.html

Earlier this week, Jews exiting a synagogue were handed leaflets by men wearing balaclavas and Russian flags informing them that they were required to register themselves and a list of their property as well as pay a registration fee or they would face deportation, have their citizenship revoked, or have their belongings confiscated...
http://investmentwatchblog.com/cia-director-quietly-visits-kiev-as-20-greystone-mercenaries-vanish/

ITS TYPICAL..[LIKE GAYS BASHING GAYS TO SAY WE GAYS ARE BEING BASHED
[the ruski flags was the give away..pro dis-info intel go away]
http://www.blacklistednews.com/The_Dangerous_Neocon-R2P_Alliance/34583/0/38/38/Y/M.html
http://rinf.com/alt-news/latest-news/dear-nato-lying-russia-simply-incompetent/

oh dear dangle a plan..any plane/plan..
how lame/[redirection]..high level defection?

http://investmentwatchblog.com/mysterious-american-plane-caught-parked-at-airport-in-tehran-iran/

or how about gettinG PEOPLE AFRAID..POLICE KIDS...NOT BANKERS?
http://intellihub.com/landmark-case-sees-pirate-bay-user-hit-5-year-sentence/

ANOTHER seed
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/video/tom-sullivan/girls-only-ukraine-imposes-travel-restrictions-russian-men
fruit
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/video/tom-sullivan/female-russian-journo-beaten-while-covering-chaotic-base-siege-ukraine

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/advice-democrats-recovery-23374907
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/april_2014/37_of_voters_fear_the_federal_government

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ADdToI9Akw
the ape/HORSMAN..a pox-o/lips
http://www.bobtuskin.com/2014/04/18/ebola-virus-in-africa-outbreak-is-a-new-strain/

18 DAY INCUBATION BEFORE SYMPTOMS?
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/health/2014-04/18/c_133273774.htm

77% of the Mumps patients got Mumps,
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/03/06/vaccine-failure--over-1000-get-mumps-in-ny-in-last-six-months.aspx
they got it FROM the vaccine!
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/measles-witch-hunt-anti-vax-parents-burned-at-the-propaganda-stake_042014

http://rinf.com/alt-news/latest-news/corruption-mainstream-media/

I am told there are more Buddhists in Aus than muslims. So when was the last time Buddhists were involved in gang rapes, anti social conduct or rioting behaviour. I can't recall.

There are a fair number of Jews here as well, and I don't recall them being involved in any thing of a violent or anti social nature.

Seems that the above groups just go about their lives without impacting on others.

Could it be that criticisms of muslims occur because of the conduct of muslims themselves. Worth considering?

hey ban-jehova
ya sounding desperate..most these buddists are greenies
[have you not NOTICED HOW THE..'greenie lobby has trippled the price of our power/how the greens want society gone/way bac beyond bombing bac to the stone age

they want suberbia made back into wilderness
but for us in the wilderness nothing much changes

buddists?..lol
going green is our biggest threat
these peoples idea of success is nuthinness

and thats who you defend ..thing is its win win for you
when ever anyone responds to you//now in defending from one lie i divIDE..US further..its wise others avoid your divisive blather

oh why bother/just repeat that you seek to hide

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=presidents+bankERS&

Prins lays out a long history of the relationships between U.S. Presidents and bankers that date back to Teddy Roosevelt and JP Morgan...IT DONT EXTEND INTO PAID BOGGERS/NOR ISRAELie end-time/divisors/troll-bloggers seeking to divide

set to ignore
dont feed the troll

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=presidents+bankERS

Prins lays out a long history of the relationships between U.S. Presidents and bankers that date back to Teddy Roosevelt and JP Morgan.

understand?

THE system IS GOING FULL ON
TO discredit..an enemy/any enemy..simply trying/to reveal truths
[20 war vets..die each day?..their making their problems...go away

trouble..WITH FICTIONS/..THEIR OFTEN BIASED...IN FACT
it needs distractions..[re-actions.MENTAL activations/diS-motivations..

IF/it..can get..on screen/to instill fear..OR HOPE
WHATS YOURS SAYING?..[HERE..IS SOMETHING I.... SAID EARLIER]
REGARDING..FALSE*FAGS
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ARTICLE5/index.php
AND.SET UP..STINGS/OTHER THINGS
http://rss.infowars.com/20140418_Fri_Alex.mp3

TODAYS/special ops/NOTES

http://www.activistpost.com/2014/04/more-propaganda-fake-leaflets-telling.html

Earlier this week,..Jews exiting a synagogue..were handed leaflets by men wearing balaclavas..and Russian flags..informing them that they were required..to register themselves..and a list of their property as well/as pay..a registration fee.or.they would face deportation,.have their citizenship revoked,...or have their belongings confiscated...
http://investmentwatchblog.com/cia-director-quietly-visits-kiev-as-20-greystone-mercenaries-vanish/

ITS TYPICAL..[LIKE GAYS.BASHING GAYS/TO SAY..WE GAYS ARE BEING BASHED
[the ruski flags/was..the give away..pro-ZION dis-info intel..go away]
http://www.blacklistednews.com/The_Dangerous_Neocon-R2P_Alliance/34583/0/38/38/Y/M.html
http://rinf.com/alt-news/latest-news/dear-nato-lying-russia-simply-incompetent/

oh dear..dangle a plan..any plane/plan..
how lame/[redirection]..high level/defection?

http://investmentwatchblog.com/mysterious-american-plane-caught-parked-at-airport-in-tehran-iran/

or how about gettinG PEOPLE AFRAID..POLICE KIDS...NOT BANKERS?
http://intellihub.com/landmark-case-sees-pirate-bay-user-hit-5-year-sentence/

ANOTHER seed
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/video/tom-sullivan/girls-only-ukraine-imposes-travel-restrictions-russian-men
fruit
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/video/tom-sullivan/female-russian-journo-beaten-while-covering-chaotic-base-siege-ukraine

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/advice-democrats-recovery-23374907
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/april_2014/37_of_voters_fear_the_federal_government

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ADdToI9Akw
the ape/HORSMAN..a pox-o/lips
http://www.bobtuskin.com/2014/04/18/ebola-virus-in-africa-outbreak-is-a-new-strain/

18 DAY INCUBATION BEFORE SYMPTOMS?
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/health/2014-04/18/c_133273774.htm

77% of the Mumps patients got Mumps,by injection
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/03/06/vaccine-failure--over-1000-get-mumps-in-ny-in-last-six-months.aspx
they got it FROM the vaccine!
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/measles-witch-hunt-anti-vax-parents-burned-at-the-propaganda-stake_042014

http://rinf.com/alt-news/latest-news/corruption-mainstream-media/

Dear Foxy,

John Adams once wrote: “Know thyself is as useful a precept to nations as to men.”

I would extend the venerable man's thought to the desirability of a nation knowing what it wants to be. At the moment we are being governed by those who are far more concerned with us knowing who we were as a nation not what we might become. Abbott's return to English titles is a case in point.

Perhaps Easter is a good time to reflect on rebirth and redemption. I thank you for the salutation and return it in kind.

Dear banjo,

You wrote;

“The woman in London did have a sign saying BEHEAD THOSE THAT CLAIM ISLAM IS VIOLENT. Believe it or not.”

I don't!

Either you are saying you were in London and saw the sign personally which I very much doubt or that you saw a picture of it somewhere on the internet in which case you would have easily been able to reproduce it here but you haven't.

I imagine this might be the one:
http://i0.wp.com/bp1.blogger.com/_UgnxmbviHxI/R1HxRwQbgiI/AAAAAAAACvI/HecuWU33OVQ/s400/hope-it-is-a-joke.jpg

Yes you will see a striking similarity to the one posted by SPQR;
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-a0LjbbWzw4s/UGQmuaJN-YI/AAAAAAAAAh0/xbiK0BIHjM0/s400/behead-those-who-insult-islam.jpg

Why? Because it is a photoshopped spoof you idiot! Obviously in the telling a masked man has morphed into a burka clad woman. You have lapped it up and regurgitated it here, never mind the fact that you couldn't even get the fiction correct.

What possible reason should we have to regard your contributions on this topic as anything other than falsehoods, false flags, rhetoric, fearmongering, hyped, beatups? Now what have you planned for your week off?

SPECIAL PROVOCATEUR QR'S PHOTOSHOP/LINK
http://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/behead-those-who-insult-islam.jpg

SEE THE LINE ABOVE THE KIDS HANDS
EXTENDS THE PICTURE..beyond the actual sin he HOLDS
THE OVER LAYED LIE EXTENDS BEYOND THE KIDS LEFT HAND TOWARDS THE LAMP POST

BUT ONE..(/*\)...eye bigots dont look close
thus deceive them selves..more than THEY FOOL US

fool me once special agent PROVOCATEUR Q/..REGULAR'SHAME ON YOU]
FOOL ME TWICE..SHAME ON YOU..THE PHOTO SHOP IS CLEAR DEAR

http://xrepublic.tv/node/8474
http://rinf.com/alt-news/latest-news/money-income-inequality-fight-must-broadened/

http://investmentwatchblog.com/mysterious-american-plane-caught-parked-at-airport-in-tehran-iran/

its a bankers plane
but heck with photo shop/its could just be a psy-op/like spacial agent provocateur/q

cant photoshop
cant reveal proof
cant bat..nor bowl..qed?
quod erat demonstrandum*

Clutching at straws Steele?

Whether *ONE* sign was doctored is immaterial. For the fact is there were plenty of others that said worse

And this is comical:
<<No Burka clad woman carried a sign in London [SAYING]: BEHEAD THOSE WHO CLAIM ISLAM IS VIOLENT>>
So you can vouch for the WHOLE OF LONDON? LOL

And now, we have your running mate OUG, trying to push the line that there was never any placards saying: "behead all those who insult the prophet" --what say you Steele, do you believe that too? come-on speak up do you buy OUG's line that all such signs were doctored?

If there is one thing this thread has shown it is how determined you and OUG are to *doctor* things to hide the truth. You and OUG were born too late Stalin would have paid millions of rubles to have had spin-doctors like you two!

THERE IS A THREAD EMERGING..in light of the boy
and his mum being set up by special provocateur qed

Internet and Broadcast Media Hate Bill Introduced in Senate

Kurt Nimmo | So-called hate speech has a wide and often political interpretation.
609 Comments
http://www.infowars.com/internet-and-broadcast-media-hate-bill-introduced-in-senate/

White House Counterterror Chief: “
Confrontational” Children Could be Terrorists
http://www.infowars.com/white-house-counterterror-chief-confrontational-children-could-be-terrorists/

Obama adviser tells parents to be suspicious of their own kids.
1741 Comments

Cliven Bundy, Rand Paul Respond
to Harry Reid’s “Domestic Terrorist” Slur

Fox News | Rand Paul and Cliven Bundy respond to the Senator’s outburst.
http://www.infowars.com/cliven-bundy-rand-paul-respond-to-harry-reids-domestic-terrorist-slur/
987 Comments

Cop Tries to Shoot Dog, Ends Up Shooting Himself
http://www.infowars.com/cop-tries-to-shoot-dog-ends-up-shooting-himself/
Adan Salazar | Footage shows docile canine playing with children.
910 Comments
CIA Will Soon Roll Out Death Squads
to Deal With Activists in Eastern Ukraine
http://www.infowars.com/cia-will-soon-roll-out-death-squads-to-deal-with-activists-in-eastern-ukraine/
Kurt Nimmo | Response to ineptness of junta and failure of its eastern operation to prevent

http://www.infowars.com/what-will-you-do-when-you-can-no-longer-buy-or-sell-without-submitting-to-biometric-identification/

http://whatreallyhappened.com/node
http://www.infowars.com/

http://rinf.com/alt-news/latest-news/money-income-inequality-fight-must-broadened/

Dear SteeleRedux,

Thank You for your comments and thoughts.
This is certainly an appropriate time to think
about these important issues, the type of society
that we want to live in and how we interact with
each other.

Here are a few more thoughts on the subject of
multiculturalism and racism:

http://www.australiansall.com.au/archive/post/australian-dream-australian-nightmare-some-thoughts-on-multiculturalism-and-racism/

G'day there everybody...

There seems to be some confusion concerning a 'woman' holding a sign purported to be saying 'behead somebody or other' who doesn't believe in Islam ?

That aside, I don't think there's any doubt whatsoever that Islam is an extremely violent practice, as evidenced by those two young blokes who decapitated that young soldier (all in the name of Islam) in London in the last twelve months or so ?

Therefore it must surely follow, that Islam is completely incompatible with Christianity, or the Australian way of life ? In fact it's my belief Islam is NOT a bona fide religion, it's merely a medieval practice.

'That aside, I don't think there's any doubt whatsoever that Islam is an extremely violent practice, as evidenced by those two young blokes who decapitated that young soldier (all in the name of Islam) in London in the last twelve months or so ? '

true o sung wu however the secularist slaughter of the unborn in this country is no worse than what these murderers did. Maybe secularism is not comparable with peace and tolerance.

SteeleRedux "Abbott, Morrison and Brandis" have nothing to do with it.
If anything, the switch to the Coalition is a effect, not a cause, of change in the community.

But will the Coalition slow or even briefly stop the "multi/global" train? ROFL!

The real change is not going to happen in Canberra.
Not until it's saturating the rest of society first.

The more "multi/global" Australians are exposed to, the more they'll realise that it offers them nothing.

Multi takes their neighbourhoods.
And Global takes their jobs.

Yes, plenty of "others" benefit from this.
But *we* don't.

Sooner or later any suggestion of "internationalism" in any form will get the same reaction as a month-old-corpse covered in vomit.

Dear Foxy,

Thank you for the link. This quote from an Australian was particularly potent;

‘… since the attack on the World Trade Centre in 2001, I have experienced various levels of prejudice against me, ranging from light racial remarks to high levels of verbal abuse. I am not the kind of person who will tolerate such behaviour … my responses have usually been at the level of the attack even though I am not a loud or violent person, but I feel that since the Australian law cannot protect me, then I must protect myself. I would like to mention that any physical assault will also be responded to physically.’

And this point was excellent;

“Howard’s government fears public imagination. Public imagination has been the greatest impediment to the last decade of migration and refugee policy. For years people were locked up in remote centres so we would not see or hear them. At the same time the government vilified and demonised refugees and asylum seekers in the hope that we would accept a dehumanised view and not try to imagine that they are just like us. By constructing the paradigm of the more deserving and less deserving refugee claim, the government strengthened and exploited an already burgeoning popular view of the more deserving and less deserving human being, defined by culture of origin.”

Spot on!

Dear SPQR,

You asked; “Clutching at straws Steele?”

Nope, popping balloons.

Dear o sung wu,

I'm afraid I am very much with the late Christopher Hitchens on this one. He posed the following challenges;

“Name one ethical statement made, or one ethical action performed, by a believer that could not have been uttered or done by a nonbeliever. The second challenge. Can anyone think of a wicked statement made, or an evil action performed, precisely because of religious faith? The second question is easy to answer, is it not? The first awaits a convincing reply.”

All religions have the capacity to move their followers to what the rest of us would consider evil deeds. When some religions manage to dress themselves in the respectability of government and uniformed armed forces it should not negate our ability to attach religious motivation to evil done under these guises.

The fact that religions create 'the other' is ultimately what drives the capacity for evil. The ability to regard other human beings as lesser enables violent action toward them to be deemed more acceptable. This is exactly what is occurring on this thread, posters are looking to highlight and hype difference, to portray people as lesser, to create the 'other'.

There may well be an argument to say I am picking the low hanging fruit, that it is easier to go after racists rather than fundamental religious types because it is deemed to be more socially acceptable. That may well have some validity however be assured I have serious issues with both groups as I regard them as peas in a pod.

I think a case can be made that Islam is no worse than Christianity or even Judaism for instance. But your proposition is rather that Islam is far more violent therefore incompatible with Christianity. I am happy to listen to why.

Steele,
The pic I saw was of three burka clad women, each holding a sign advocating beheading and one sign said BEHEAD THOSE WHO CLAIM ISLAM IS VIOLENT. It was in the smh or one of the UK papers, and was from the demo about the Danish cartoons. I concede it could have been photo shopped, but it was with a host of other pics portraying the demo which was a big deal at the time.

The point is that beheading is violent and here we have them advocating violence to those who say they are violent. Violence seems to be the first and only reaction by muslims to criticism and is so common they hardly notice it. Like the Sydney woman with her baby holding the beheading sign, she claimed she did not realise she was promoting violence.

As I said before, if muslims want to avoid criticism they should look at their own conduct. There are many incidents of violence and anti social behaviour by muslims. Violence, in Sydney, over the Syria civil war which resulted in burnt out shop for example. Then how many muslims are killed by other muslims in Syria.

Here is another example of muslim violence and in this case supported by the girls father. Multiculturalism in action.

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/sydney-husband-of-14yearold-who-was-raped-after-a-forced-marriage-looks-set-to-escape-punishment/story-fni0fee2-1226824054576

Hi there STEELEREDUX...

The Christian religion has it's own fair share of violence that it needs to carefully examine and confront before it points an accusatory finger at Islam ?

What I'm saying is, in Australia, there's absolutely no place for Islam to peacefully coexist with Australian Christianity ! It simply won't work. I accept you have a circle of Islamic friends that you're personally quite close too, and that's very good for you. It's like an individual (herpetologist) who chooses to handle venomous snakes. While he exercises all due care, and with careful attention, he'll not be bitten. A single event of inattention, could well cost him his life.

Similarly, an individual who raises and handles Lions in captivity, one lapse of concentration...well the end is most predictable ? Islam is very similar. Around these Islamic 'hotheads' one needs to tread carefully, as if walking on egg shells, otherwise should you upset them, all hell breaks loose.

Look at the recent events in Sydney's, Downing Centre Courts ? Fighting broke out in a wild melee in the body of the Court, with no respect shown to the Magistrate who witnessed the Muslim defendants fighting ! Twenty police were needed to quell the disturbance. Muslims respect nothing, in either our culture, our laws, our country, or our way of life STEELEREDUX !

Islam is totally ncompatible, with EVERYTHING we value, and love in this Nation of ours !

MAX REDUX/quote..<<..“Name one ethical statement made,..or one ethical action performed,..by a believer..that could not..have been uttered or done..by a nonbeliever.>>

And there will appear..to them..the evils they had earned,
and...they will be enveloped..by what they used to ridicule.

Indeed,...you are to die,
and indeed,..they are to die.

Indeed,..We sent down to you..the Book..for the people
in truth..So whoever is guided -it is for..the benefit of.his soul; and whoever goes astray..only goes astray..to its own detriment..[And recall..you are not a manager..over them.]

He creates you..in the wombs of your mothers,.creation after creation,..[so how are you averted]?

He created the heavens and earth in truth..He wraps the night over the day..and wraps the day over the night./.and has subjected the sun and the moon,.each running..[its SEASON]..for a specified term...Unquestionably,..He is the Exalted in Might,..the Perpetual Forgiver

So worship what..you will....besides Him." Say,"Indeed, the losers are the ones who will lose themselves..and their families on the Day of Resurrection...Unquestionably,.that is the manifest loss."

Do you not see that Allah sends down rain.from the sky and makes it flow as springs.[and rivers] in the earth; then He produces thereby crops of varying colors;..then they dry and you see them turned yellow;..then He makes them [scattered] debris.

Indeed in that..is a reminder
[for those of understanding]

That Allah may remove..from them the worst..of what they did and reward them..their due for the best..of what they used..to do.

And when Allah is mentioned alone,..the hearts of those
who do not believe..in the Hereafter shrink..with aversion,..
but when those..[earthy messengers]..other than Him are mentioned,..immediately they rejoice.

So who is more unjust.than one who lies about Allah
and denies the truth..when it has come to him?

And if you asked them,."Who created the heavens and the earth?"
they would surely say,.." Allah ."THUS Say,.."Then have you considered what you invoke..besides Allah ?

If Allah intended me harm,..are they removers of His harm;
or if He intended me mercy,..are they withholders of His mercy?"

Say, "Sufficient for me is Allah ;
upon Him [alone] rely the [wise]

"I think a case can be made that Islam is no worse than Christianity or even Judaism for instance. But your proposition is rather that Islam is far more violent therefore incompatible with Christianity. I am happy to listen to why."
Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 19 April 2014 5:25:58 PM

Because Christians are not Muslims.

Dear Is Mise,

I don't think that the tens of thousands of
Muslims who fled the Christian Militia in
Central Africa to neighbouring Chad and
Cameroon would agree with your take on Christians.
Google what's happening over there for yourself.

The Virtue..of Kindness

According to Quran and Sunnah

WWW.MUTTAQUN.COM

The Noble Qur'an 3:159

And by the Mercy of Allah,..you dealt with them gently.
And had you been severe and harsh-hearted,...they would have broken away from about you;..[so pass over (their faults),..and ask (Allah's)..Forgiveness..*for them;]

and consult them..in the affair.[issues]..Then
when you have taken a decision,..[together][..put your trust in Allah,..certainly,..Allah loves those who put their trust..(in Him mercies and grace).

The Noble Qur'an 42:43

And verily,..whosoever shows patience..and forgives
[yes].that would truly be..from the things..recommended by Allah.

The Noble Qur'an 31:17-19

O my son!..Aqim-is-Salat..(offer prayers perfectly),
enjoin (people)..for Al- Ma'ruf (Islamic Monotheism and all that is good),..Verily!.These are some of the important commandments ordered by Allah..with no exemption.

And turn not your face away..from men[with pride, ..nor walk in insolence through the earth...Verily,..Allah likes not each arrogant boaster.
And be moderate..(or show no insolence)..in your working,
and lower your voice...Verily, the harshest..of all voices is the voice..the..(braying)..of the ass.

Hadith - Muslim & Bukhari

"Allah is not kind..to him
who is not kind..to people."

Hadith - Tirmidhi, Saheeh...

"He who does not thank people..does not thank Allah."

Hadith - Abu Dawud and Tirmidhi

"Those who are kind and considerate..to Allah's creatures,
[to these]..Allah bestows His kindness and affection upon them. ..Show kindness to the creatures on the earth so that Allah may be kind to you."]

If the concept of divine unity..dominates the mind,..it is the principle of divine compassion..that rules the heart in Islam.

Contrary to the harsh stereotypes..of Islam - fostered both by fanatics within the religion itself, and by biased critics - the culture of this religion is steeped..in the ambivalence..generated by mercy and compassion,..[BY]..expressions of divine love.

..This spiritual culture issues from heartfelt conviction that God is to be taken absolutely seriously when he declares in the seventh chapter of the Koran, "My Mercy Encompasses All."

http://www.iqrasense.com/allah/the-need-and-importance-of-allahs-mercy.html

Anyone who tells you that ALL religions have a comparable amount of blood on their hands must have learnt their history at the local multicultural centre. [Kumbaya My Lord... let’s all join hands]

Islam has by far and away the most bloody history, but it's fortunate in that not many in the West are aware of it.

So while people like Foxy and Steele et la are ever ready to waxy lyrical and long about the crimes of Westerners, they don’t even want to hear about the dastardly deeds of Islam ---it would spoil their little fantasy.

Hi there...

From my point of view, I believe I've exhausted all that I wish to say on this issue, to a point that I've probably thoroughly bored anyone who wanted to read my any of my opinions. I guess we all adhere resiliently to our respective positions, therefore any further discussion would prove pointless I think ? Accordingly, I'd like to bid you all a very good night, and thank you.

Foxy,

Precisely; because Christians are not Muslims was my answer to the question put.

Dear o sung wu,

Thank you for contributing. It is indeed educative to see just how entrenched some positions are so thank you for that as well. I will leave you with this thought if I may. The Iman of the Cairns Mosque referenced in my first post comes from one of the oldest families of that town. His father came to work the cane fields in 1900.

He said of the attack; "My family has never, ever, ever experienced any opposition from this community, this is the first time ever."

For 114 years this Muslim family has lived in peace with and been part of the local community. I consider him an Australian deserving of the right not to be targeted and stereotyped by his religion. You have by implication referred to him as a snake and a savage beast and because he is a Muslim that he respects “nothing, in either our culture, our laws, our country, or our way of life”.

To paraphrase your good self that degree of intolerance should be “totally incompatible, with EVERYTHING we value, and love in this Nation of ours!”

That was the sentiment of the Sen-Constable, that is my sentiment, and it ought to be the sentiment of everybody who cares about the future of this country.

Dear Is Mise,

Christians are not Jewish either, a point brought home by this quote "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." Adolf Hitler – Mein Kampf

Dear Banjo,

You wrote;

“The pic I saw was of three burka clad women, each holding a sign advocating beheading and one sign said BEHEAD THOSE WHO CLAIM ISLAM IS VIOLENT. It was in the smh or one of the UK papers, and was from the demo about the Danish cartoons.”

No you didn't.

You are starting to act like a NSW premier. There was no photograph in the SMH nor was there likely to have been one in a British paper either, photoshopped or otherwise.

As to the other signs of course they are despicable just like any others from fundamentalist sections of any faith. Here is a Christian version;

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/WBC_20051202_sacco-topeka5.jpg

A Jewish one saying 'Death to Arabs' on a gravestone;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vandalized_grave.jpg

And this is another Jewish sign though with a twist.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02671/ShimonGafsouBanner_2671596b.jpg

It reads "Shimon Gafsou is racist scum and a neighbourhood bully who boorishly tramples the basic rights of Arab citizens to live wherever they want and to buy lands which, in any case, were theirs and were stolen from them by force,"

Turns out Mr Gatsou was running for mayor and put the signs up himself to garner Jewish votes. Taste of how Abbott operates.

Dear SteeleRedux,

The last poster you mentioned actually reads as follows:

[
"I will not allow to change the Jewish nature of this city. I will prevent the construction of an Arab school and act towards constructing neighbourhoods for Jewish residents. Any request for a foreign characteristic in this city is answered with an absolute 'No'! Upper Nazareth is a Jewish city." Shimon Gapso

With courage, with perseverence! Shimon Gapso
]

Everyone has a right to be a bigot - and everyone has a right to reject bigots of whatever persuation.

Steele is devious to the max

He tries to make much of individual cases of someone being un-nice to Muslims.
But he is completely silent on the SYSTEMATIC un-niceness directed at non-Muslims where Islam wields the power.

He mindlessly trumpets the latest Lefty mantra:
<<Abbott, Morrison and Brandis have obviously ushered in a period in which you and your ilk feel free to spew your poison>>
But ignores the hate speech and war mongering issuing from local mosques
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/15/preachers-spiritual-cheerleaders-social-media-syria-london-university

And he plays long and hard on the possibility that one of the placards might have been doctor.
Ignoring the fact that there were many others equally bad or worse.

And amusingly, for someone so technical and careful, one of Steele's key exhibits is a *mistranslated* inscription (as Yuyutsu has exposed above)!

Clearly Steele is not an honest broker --he has a more devious purpose.

So again I ask --which of these two images are you most likely to be traumatized by:

A
http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2013/11/05/1226753/162118-graffiti.jpg

or,

B
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-a0LjbbWzw4s/UGQmuaJN-YI/AAAAAAAAAh0/xbiK0BIHjM0/s400/behead-those-who-insult-islam.jpg

Steele has no answer.... it doesn't suit his agenda!

I HAVEN'T CHECKED ON THE LINKS OF SPECIAL PROVOCATEUR QED
BUT NO DOUDT IF HE DARE VISIT MINE..he will see yes HIS OWN/Semites..do some evil things..

but the Semites referred to aint muslims..any idiot knows usa is the clay goyum..just puT IN INSTRUCTIONS AND THE CLAY USA GOES ALL THE Way..to bomb the good semites back into the stone age

israel alone requires all the indigenous in GETTOS MANY TIMES WORSE THAT WARSORE

but without ears listening
or sans eyes keenly watching...nothing gets in

repoted/post-limits/here
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6316&page=0

OH WELL IT DEPENDS WHO YA want to/SING UP..

HERE IS SPEQ..who blogs for the mossad/zion plan..mzz/special provocateur/qed/..quote<<.Anyone who tells you that ALL religions have a comparable amount of blood on their hands must have learn their history at the local>>>

here special provocateur/look what your mates have done
http://www.jewwatch.com

it/REVEALS MANY SEMITE CRIMES
muslim crime..[incited by usa]..hasnt come close[iran last went to war 200 years ago]

even CHRISTIANS HAVE HAD THEIr fun..killed [12 million japs]
and been killed..25 million christians..at war-sore..death marches//Bolsheviks that was..

or how about the mainly 6 million poles worked to death by the capoes/working for the zion natzies

damm ya try to be nice..and hall he can blog is to the grand sceme of zion...being holier than thou

6 straight lines/6 intersecting points/6 isolated triangles surrounding a hex-ogram..yeah that SIGN INDICATES 6666..who will INTERCEDE FOR THAT?..

how many more scape goats need die..on the insanity of being gods mob..

*as if..all living isnt..*of the one father
one under god/one EARTH tribe..one nation..[LORDED OVER BY SATAN/READ ISRAEL

all land is gods land ya sod.
come where there is post numbers..let us talk it all out..tomorrow i may backtrack..or just walk away..[WELL I BACKTRACKED..RECALLED I NEEDED TO REPLY YOUR LIE...BEFORE WE ALL DIE IN YOUR MISERABLE ARMAGEDDON END TIME PLAY

I NOTE YOUR MASTERS..allready released the sick horse
two third will die before this is over..yes billions of us
but every single last one of you/no place to hide..so ya end up loST IN SPACE..ITS KISSMET REALLY

Dear yuyutsu,

Thank you for the correct translation of the pictured sign.

I was surprised that the Telegraph would have gotten something so wrong so I went back to the article in question.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/10309236/The-Israeli-mayor-of-upper-Nazareth-who-called-himself-racist-scum.html

It seems the fault was mine as a more careful reading would have shown the the quote did not directly reference the picture. It appears there was a poster with the words I quoted just not the one I linked to.

My apologies to all and sundry.

Dear SPQR,

Both times you have raised this question you did not put it directly to me but rather the others. If you would like to do so now I am happy to provide an answer but don't go spouting on about me not addressing it up till this point.

Steele,

<<Both times you have raised this question you did not put it directly to me but rather the others>>

How very bureaucratic and typical!

But actually, that question was addressed to others with intent. The classical legal test or measure as to the value/validity of a proposition is how would a "REASONABLE PERSON" perceive it. And the court determined quite some time ago that you didn't fall into that category --so your response wasn't called for!

However, the good number of other questions were addressed to you which you deftly sidestep [And just as footnote: having seen that side step the Wallaby's (rugby team) have sent me an email asking if you were on contract and if not would you play for them?]

The question I am more interested in you answering is this one:

<<OUG (your running mate OUG) is trying to push the line that there was never any placards saying: "behead all those who insult the prophet" --what say you Steele, do you believe that too? come-on speak up do you buy OUG's line that all such signs were doctored?>>

SEE, THAT ONE WAS ADDRESSED TO YOU BY NAME!
And the court would dearly love to hear your answer to it (So would OUG, I'll bet).

dear special agent provatateur
nice avoidance..

http://www.jewwatch.com/

excelent redirection
i think your ready for the big time [a wiki-mod]

mate of course it you set things up/like the mediA REGULARUILLY DOES
YOU CAN PHOTO REAL SIGNS/BUT WHY ALL THE EASY REFUTED LIES

look special provocation /redirection/mossad distraction AGENT QED
i can dress in a dress/fake it up..anyhow..ANYWHERE..LIKE A MOSSAD OPPERATIONS TEAM..ITS TOO EASY..TO FAKE THIS FOR WHAT/ to say one crazy means all crazy..and its o to slow kill kids in gaza//to stop these fools?

or just/like suicide bombers be black mailed or set up
frightened even..into blowing themselves up
often by mossad agents

look mossad has fallen so low
as to rely on easy refuted pictures
unlike the media..imagry assult...here we can examine and track back the bias/the spin..ok we have how many photos..faking it wins

occams raiser some tricks are tricks
but there is no magic..if it looks wrong..it is

sure i can beat up on how the scam works/but that means you actually looking at my..links/

but those you ignore
your links stinks ..i know its going to be a pathetic excuse to say..one means all of them

you mossad collective punishment..reveals yoUR WORKS
YOUR TO CLEVER/BUT THE SECRETS ARE OVER..NO PLACE to hide
all mossad can do is take doWN THE NET..AND WE WILL JUST PUT IT BQACK UP AGAIN AND AGAIN

LOOK HERE IS A MOVIE..A REALLY BAD JEW
THAT ONE IS EVIL..HOW ABOUT YOU?
by your works will we know you.

tell ya masters
this topic has moved on
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6293&page=11

lies are over
stick ya photo-shop where the sun dont shine
thyne sins are far worse than any of mine
http://www.jewwatch.com/

but we can wor it out
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6316&page=0

but secrets are gone/be proud or be ashamed
all evil must be exposed.
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6152&page=0#178808

6 th of may= judgment day
as long as it takes..[10,000 years apparently]

Dear SQPR,

None of us are "waxing lyrically," we're merely
discussing various perspectives of the issues
involved. Nothing is ever simply black or white -
and when looking at any issue its always good
to not only look from one side or the other but
from around the edges as well. What disturbs ne
is tarring any given group with the same brush -
and talking in generalities and sweeping statements
and not allowing for individual differences.
Islam covers so many different people and places -
both culturally and linguistically. They don't all
practice the religion in exactly the same way -
other religions don't ardently follow their religions
either. Also the problems of the Middle-East deal
with local issues in those areas - and the Shite's
and Sunni's are again a different matter - and they
are concerned with the problems in their region.
Then there's also the fundamentalists - who exist in
all religions, and so on.

I've always thought that you were a worthy contributor
to this forum.
It's a pity that you don't seem to respect opinions simply
because they don't agree with your take of things.
Still - perhaps you'll get over it. I hope so.
I take people as I find them. And I try not to judge
the many by the actions of a few. Also, I think it is
important to try to find out what are the factors
involved that cause people to behave the way they do -
instead of merely blaming people or
their religion.

Dear Is Mise,

Sorry, but I don't understand your point regarding
Christians. Please explain.

The Muslim lobby is very strong and active in the Labor Party. The video accompanying this report discusses that (among other things),

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/former-foreign-minister-bob-carr-says-kevin-rudd-would-want-un-secretarygeneral-job/story-fnihsrf2-1226890042244

There are many interest groups that attempt
to influence political decisions that might
have an impact on its members or their goals.
These groups may be large or small, temporary
or permanent, secretive or open, but they
will try to gain access to, and sway, those who
have power. The Zionist Lobby - is just one
that tries to influence both major parties.

Foxy,

Interesting that you would immediately blur and then point your accusing finger at 'The Zionist Lobby' instead.

Yet the spokeswoman in that video link and she had 15 plus years working for Labor in senior positions, said quite plainly that the Jewish lobby was not a factor at all, miniscule effect.

However there seemed to be a consensus that the Muslim lobby has been and is very strong in the Labor Party, even advising who should be the Labor leader.

Foxy

Comments like:
<< Nothing is ever simply black or white -
and when looking at any issue its always good
to not only look from one side or the other but
from around the edges as well>>

Sound nice --almost like motherhood statements.
But I have two issues with you using it/them:

1) It leads people to conclude well every creed is on a par and none is any worse than any other--and that is simply NOT true, &

2) You would never employ that formula if you were talking about accounts of early settlement atrocities against aborigines (however poorly documented)ie you are very selective re when and where you apply it!

_________________________

On The Beach

Good to see you back on board your contributions were sorely missed!

off the beaxch..and onto DE-fence

OFF FENCE
TRY LOOKING...
AT WHO THEY BOUGHT OFF..SOLD OFF/out..

GAVE FAME GAVE NAME TOO
http://www.jewwatch.com/
AND NOW LAY BLAME TO
<<>.However there seemed to be a consensus that the Muslim lobby has been and is very strong in the Labor Party, even advising who should be the Labor leader.>>

please get educated..take a deep breath
see what the hate of zion created
http://www.jewwatch.com/

exactly as the zion proTOCOLS DEMANDED
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=zion+protocols+pdf&

NOW JUST ON CLUE..YOU ATTACK the true sheep..you creep
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/podcast.php

6 TH OF MAY
THE FIRST..no second DEFENSE-WITNESS IS YOU
HERE IS THE PO-LICES PHONE NUMBER
PLEASE ADVICE THEM
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6293&page=11

lets see what the house levie../or\..david can do
going to mardigrass too...how about you?
silence signifies concent,

SPQR,

I am amazed it has gone 15 pages when the OP stretched credulity past max trying to build hysteria. In fact the cases given in the OP proved the very opposite of what the poster was trying to create a dust storm over.

My earlier post to SteelRedux refers. Here it is,

<@SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 11:32:05 PM

The two reports demonstrate the opposite of what you appear to be alleging.

There is abundant evidence that the vandalism is unusual and that Australians do not find it acceptable at all.

No-one in their right mind would ever believe that Senator George Brandis would ever encourage such lawless behaviour, or that anything he has ever said or done would have that effect.
Posted by onthebeach, Thursday, 17 April 2014 10:26:14 AM>

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6339&page=1

Antony Loewenstein in his book -
"My Israel Question," documents quite thoroughly
Zionism in Australia and gives examples of this
interest group's
tremenduous influence on both the major political
parties. Other research is also available from
any local library - including Bob Carr's latest
book - and John Howard's and Malcolm Fraser's
works and The Costello Memooirs.

Cassandra Wilkinson who worked for various senior Labor figures including Labor Premiers emphatically discounted the Jewish influence. 'Practically invisible' she said, 'much misunderstood, just occasional friendships'. Here you go @ 02:05,

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/former-foreign-minister-bob-carr-says-kevin-rudd-would-want-un-secretarygeneral-job/story-fnihsrf2-1226890042244

On the other hand, the Grand Mufti of Australia wrote a letter through his political adviser to influence the selection of a leader and to kybosh a senior union figure's chances. That is also discussed in the video.

You seem to be at sixes and sevens trying to conceal the acknowledged strong influence of Muslims over the Labor Party.

Obviously Muslims have a monkey grip on the Labor Party, why deny what is so obvious and the evidence is there? Why 'bone' the Jewish community to boot?

SteeleRedux "For years people were locked up in remote centres"

Villawood is remote?

"Name one ethical statement made, or one ethical action performed, by a believer that could not have been uttered or done by a nonbeliever."

It's the unethical that's the problem.

Do we hear daily reports of terrorism/atrocities by atheists and agnostics?
Or Buddhists, Wiccans, Jehovah's Witnesses?

"The ability to regard other human beings as lesser"

You don't need religion for that.
Reality will do fine (e.g. IQ tests, GDP-per-capita, Human Development Index).

"His father came to work the cane fields in 1900."

As Lou Reed says "Those were different times".

Firstly, they *had* to integrate.
There were so few of them, they couldn't set up their own little fiefdom.

Secondly, the radicalisation of the Islamic world had barely begun.
Those Imperial-era Muslims may as well have been from another planet compared to today's.

This case should exemplify what the consequences of excessive pancultural immigration are, but it will go in one ear and out the other.

Perhaps you should think a little harder about what difficulties you are creating for those long-established families, who inevitably get lumped in with the recent "flood".

Foxy "the problems of the Middle-East deal with local issues in those areas"

But they don't stay local.

The Muslims in Sydney apparently think these are their issues too.

Dear SPQR,

Mr Thwackam, a character om Henry Fielding's novel
"Tom Jones," declares:

"When I mention religion, I mean the Christian religion;
and not only the Christian religion, but the
Protestant religion; and not only the Protestant religion,
but the Church of England."

Most people are like Mr Twackum: when they mention religion,
they have their own in mind - and they certainly feel
that other religions are not on a par with theirs.
There are a large number of religions
whose members are convinced that theirs is the one true
faith and that all others are misguided, superstitious,
and even wicked.

As for the history of Indigenous-Settler relations?
It is now possible to explore the past by means
of a large number of books, articles, films, novels,
song, paintings, and many primary sources. Many
voices have filled out the space once claimed to
be the "Great Australian Silence." But as has been
stated in the past - knowing brings burdens which
can be shirked by those living in ignorance.

With knwledge the wuestion is no longer what we know -
but what we are not to do, and that is a much harder
matter to deal with.

Much has changed. Much has been achieved. Tolerance
and understanding have broadened out. Bigotry
is slowly beginning to retreat. Black armband
history is often distressing, but it does enable us
to know and understand the incubus which burdens us all.

Dear Shocker,

All the Muslims in Sydney are involved in
overseas issues?
Really? Well apparently - then they're in good
company. Our former PM's
also got us involved in "Muslim" issues.
Just ask any soldier who's come back
recently as well as the ones who have already
served.

Foxy,

As I hinted before, you and Steele are very one-eyed, very selective when it comes to discussing the un-nice things of the past. If it's an event from White/European history there will be full-on criticism-- even on the flimsiest of evidence.

And despite all your assurances or Foxy-waffle <<It is now possible to explore the past ...>> things are rarely as clear cut as you pretend.

ON THE OTHER-HAND, should someone expose one of the un-nice deeds of Islam, you and Steele (and a whole phalanx of Lefties) get all defensive and start accusing them of hate crimes.

And that is why we so often disagree.

SPQR,

You are in the esteemed company of Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris who immediately copped a flogging from their former adoring worshippers of the liberal persuasion (as in the US usage of liberal) when these three decided to level a few criticisms at Islam.

Dawkins was set on fire twice. The second time for saying that he didn't need to have read all of the Koran to know what it meant. Just as he didn't need to read all of Mein Kampf to know that it was decidedly nasty for mankind.

So, you know what is expected of you: brick bats for Christians and those white folks from Britain; and an open door and free pass to Centrelink for all who arrive from anywhere else.

But whatever you do, don't mention that other religion or whatever it is.

Unless you praise it and dance to its tune. Here you go,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK7CVNyBALo

Foxy,
Remember, you said, "People who are in denial about racism in this country are simply ignorant. Lets look at the facts - we imprison
brown asylum seekers, we once celebrated our national day
with a white racist riot. There were assaults on Indian
students, a little political organisation called
One Nation, and of course "the intervention" - the heraldic
beak on our long hawkish treatment of Indigenous Australians".

These are 5 specific items you claimed to be 'facts' about racism

These items are NOT examples of racism and I suggest you are well aware of that.

You and I disagree on quite a few issues but I am surprised that you stoop to presenting untruths as 'facts' about racism. Did not any of Eva's writings quote any actual instances of racism. That would not surprise me. I am further surprised that you thought you could say such without being challenged.

You may be able to find some individual acts of racism, like the two women on the bus at Surfers recently, but to claim general racism with untruths is quite wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJoxVkGHzI0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Tw7WhH_aQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIrcNL9PfUU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWVmdBUGxAo

'As a multicultural society, we should take a very dim view of this sort of behaviour'.....No...its perfectly normal behaviour:) Pat you crack me up...Hasn't god got many different points of view, one for every country in fact....I cant wait for the next book from him...Iam sure the title will be...IT WASNT ME...lol

Kat

Dear SPQR and Banjo,

Precisely how much racism do you need before
a country itself is racist?
You're convinced of your truth I'm convinced
of mine. However, is yours the truth or is
your News Limited?

Foxy,

<<is yours the truth or is your News Limited?>>

ROFL

I cannot remember the last time I read a Newscorp publication.I might have done searches on google that gave Newscorp results. But I have NOT purposely acquired a Newscorp source in I don't know how long --I LOVE THIS BIG BAD BOOGIE MAN MURDOCH PHOBIA OF THE LEFT!

<<Precisely how much racism do you need before a country itself is racist?>.

9.04% -- Only joking!

There is no doubt racism in Oz, But substantially less so than many --perhaps, most other countries.

AND-AND-AND many examples that are held up as racism are NOT racism at all. I have seen enough examples to know that people often use the charge of racism to further their political ends --or increasingly, further their career prospects.

Dear SPQR,

Glad to see your sense of humour is back.
Now that's more like it.

You're right - every country has racism.
It's about how best to identify and respond to
the racism we inevitably harbour. Without it
we have nothing to fix and other people to
blame.

Thanks for your last post.

Let's look for the 100th time at the true origin and proper context of the word "Racist"
http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1930/hrr/ch01.htm
"Slavophilism, the messianism of backwardness, has based its philosophy upon the assumption that the Russian people and their church are democratic through and through, whereas official Russia is a German bureaucracy imposed upon them by Peter the Great. Marx remarked upon this theme: “In the same way the Teutonic jackasses blamed the despotism of Frederick the Second upon the French, as though backward slaves were not always in need of civilised slaves to train them.” This brief comment completely finishes off not only the old philosophy of the Slavophiles, but also the latest revelations of the “Racists.”

SPQR, reading through that whole chapter you can appreciate why Foxy, DavidF and co are so insistent upon the use of the term "Racist", they see Australia as meagre and backward, it's history irrelevant and it's original ethnic majority group they regard as ignorant bumpkins who need a foreign aristocracy to do their thinking for them but who are nonetheless convinced that they think for themselves all the same.
Anything we do or say is "Racist" to them, it's not possible to dislodge them from that position because they don't share our heritage and thus cannot understand the past,present and future in the way we do.

jay/malword "Racist"borne/quote..<<>.Anything we do or say is "Racist" to them,..it's not possible to dislodge them..from that position because..they don't share our heritage..and thus cannot understand..[why we must excuse/abuse]..the past,present and future in the way we do.>>

so then he looks up racist
http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1930/hrr/ch01.htm
<<.."Slavophilism, the messianism of backwardness,>>

this needs me searching out two words
[see i now racist is race bias/but somehow a mal born raciust has inserted new words
Definition of SLAVOPHILISM
: advocacy of Slavic and specifically Russian culture over western European culture especially as practiced among some members of the Russian intelligentsia in the middle 19th century

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianism Messianism is the belief in a messiah, a savior or redeemer. Many religions have a messiah concept, including the Jewish Messiah, the Christian Christ, the Muslim Mahdi and Isa (Arabic name for Jesus), the Buddhist Maitreya, the Hindu Kalki and the Zoroastrian Saoshyant. The state of the world is seen as hopelessly flawed beyond normal human powers of correction, and divine intervention through a specially selected and supported human is seen as necessary.

ok that links back to fatima
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=fatima+russia&ie

<<>.This brief comment completely finishes off not only the old philosophy of the Slavophiles, but also the latest revelations of the “Racists.”>>

THANK YOU RACISTS..WELL DONE
better than the atheists dun
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/prophet.html

<<..SPQR,[edit]Australia as meagre and backward, it's history irrelevant and it's original ethnic majority group they regard as ignorant bumpkins who need a foreign aristocracy to do their thinking for them but who are nonetheless convinced that they think for themselves all the same.>>

we agree

so how does this Current/Ukraine thing
work in with consecrating russia?
Bolshevik is code for JEW RIGHT?

<may be able to find some individual acts of racism, like the two women on the bus at Surfers recently>

The old gent who was singled out by the media as the only victim worth reporting -which disregarded the woman with the pram who was also targeted by the offenders as well as the other passengers- did not himself identify as indigenous. That fact was specifically volunteered by him and quoted in police reports at the time.

Despite that fact, some tabloid reporter hacks including the usual shameless 'current affairs' programs, tried to spin it as racism. How does that work?

Unabashed by the clarification of that in other news reports and by police, there were the usual suspects to whom facts do not matter even where what they claim is obviously untrue and been proved to be so, who could not forgo what they saw as another opportunity to blacken Australians as racists. The meanness of their bigotry against their fellow Aussies was made stark by police reports that other passengers on the bus and the driver had immediately acted to resist the offenders, and the offenders were just being antisocial as is the habit of skanks on the Glitter Strip.

In this thread too, there seems to be the motivation to damn Aussies for 'racism', while at the same time touting supreme success of multiculturalism. How does that work?

OUG,
I don't know that Jews, Bolshevik or otherwise play any significant role in present day Ukraine, as far as I can tell it's Russia and Germany trying to outmanouvre each other for economic influence in the region.
The best information appears to show the "pro EU" groups and Nationalists taking direction and funding from the BND, the German foreign intelligence service, the BND is under the control of the Chancellor's office so the Maidan provocation is under the direct supervision of Mrs Merkel.
The Neo Nazi symbolism displayed by the Ukrainian Nationalists is just that, a motif to express an attitude, like Aborigines giving the Black Power salute. Neo Nazis wearing Nike and carrying Samsung phones..yeah right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Ukraine

As of 2012, Ukraine had the fifth-largest Jewish community in Europe and the twelfth-largest Jewish community in the world, behind South Africa and ahead of Mexico.

The majority of Ukrainian Jews live in four large cities: Kiev (about half of all Jews living in Ukraine[3]), Dnipropetrovsk, Kharkiv, and Odessa.[87] Rabbis Yaakov Dov Bleich of Kiev and Shmuel Kaminetzky of Dnipropetrovsk are considered to be among the most influential foreigners in the country.[88]

There is a growing trend among some Israelis to visit Ukraine on a "roots trip" to follow the footsteps of Jewish life there..*so they arnt needing to use fake passports to do this mossad/black-ops


Crisis Actor Detected in Jewish Community Center Shooting Hoax?
http://therebel.org/en/?option=com_content&view=article&id=760631:crisis-actor-detected-in-jewish-community-center-shooting-hoax&catid=280:nodisinfo&Itemid=2641

LEST WE
FORGET THE
PRES IS A JEWISH BANKER
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=ukraine+jewish+news
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Ukraine#Ukrainian_Jews

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/04/19/359181/ukraine-jew-registration-hoax-traced/
LIST OF MEDIA JEWS
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/04/20/Ukraine-PM-We-Will-Find-These-Anti-Semitic-Bastards-And-Bring-Them-To-Justice
http://www.darkmoon.me/2014/who-are-the-puppet-masters-by-neil-clark/
http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/is-israel-a-democratic-state-interview-with-mauro-manno/

http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?f=114&t=33138
LESTWE FORGET POLAND..HAS EVEN MORE J-WS
http://rt.com/news/pentagon-poland-ground-troops-556/
LEST WE FORGET USA IS ZIONS LAP DOG..
http://12160.info/group/demand911truthnow/forum/topics/israel-did-9-11-all-the-proof-in-the-world?overrideMobileRedirect=1
http://investmentwatchblog.com/crisis-in-ukraine-a-city-by-city-guide-to-the-spreading-conflict/
yes jesus wasnt killed by the JEWS
BUT THE MONEY CHANGERS
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/04/jesus-money-changers-modern-banks.html

annie frank was frankly.lie.. was written by a man
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=4297

Sterilization has become a by/word of science, as
the best means of ridding the human race of its misfits: the degenerate, the insane, the hereditary criminal.
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=FERTILITY+ISSUES+PALESTINE
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/EASTERMONSANTO.jpg

LEST WE FORGET.THE 35 tON OF GOLD
THE IMF BANKER ..TOOK FROM THE BANK after..HE BECAME PRESIDENT
please/get educated..READ ..ALL THE PRESIDENTS BANKERS
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304572204579499782689643164

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/SMALL_unclesamlies.jpg
http://whatreallyhappened.com/podcasts/hourtitle1.m3u
http://rss.infowars.com/20140420_Sun_Alex.mp3

"90% of the American people believe
there was a conspiracy to assassinate John F. Kennedy. The other 10% work for the government or the media." -- Richard Belzer

Dear UOG,

Just so you are clear on this mate I find your continual posting of a link to a hateful, extreme, anti-Semitic web site both tiresome and offensive. What you are engaged in is little different to those looking to demonise Muslims and I condemn it also.

Dear SPQR,

Please don't don't talk drivel. Of course you expected an answer else you wouldn't have posted “Steele has no answer.... it doesn't suit his agenda!”

On the face of it the 'beheading' poster is of course the more offensive. I know it was not taken in Australia and was referring to a film made in the US but having versions of those sentiments paraded in our capital city was horrific.

However if I were a friend of the Aziz family in Cairns I would most certainly view the graffiti on the mosque more traumatic. It was directed at a specific group of Australians who would have been well within their rights to feel threatened. Do you think it would be a reasonable reaction?

As to the picture of the child in the Sydney park no I do not think it was faked although I accept the comment from Pru Goward that the circumstances surrounding it were not clear cut.

UOG, why would you post that?
Crisis actors notwithstanding I can assure you that Glenn Miller is the real culprit in those shootings, he's been promoting violence so loudly and for so long that nobody in the global White movements is the least bit surprised. Miller is an animal, not even the craziest neo Nazi desperado would have anything to do with him in recent years because he's also an FBI informant who has sent others to jail on several occasions.
Forget what the criminals at the SPLC, the Anti Semites and the conspiracy nuts are saying about him, Miller is dying of emphysema, he's always drunk when he goes on one of his "actions" and the general consensus is that he was trying to go out in a blaze of glory but in typical Miller style he chickened out and surrendered, at this time he's probably trying to do a deal implicating some other innocent party so he won't be executed on federal hate crime charges.

PLEASE GUYS I POSTED 22 LINKS
ONE SURE HAS UPSET YOU..tell me which one
hoipe its the anne frank one..cause i lived as if that book was true for years/that led to the nose job movie lot..heck im not sure whats got ya all so upset

post info what link
what bit specifically..i can read minds//but which ones
how about explaining..what ya think?

I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE JEW WATCH..but i know most of that is true
the point really is gentlemen..if arabs are ruling the world/how come jewish people rule over everything else.

there is nothing worse that the winner claiming the under guy
its sad its just pathetic..you know who own this realm..and it sure aint no prisoner in gulag/gazza.

And the russion thing.so much ignored
in this rush to call a spade a spade..multicultural..is rubbish when they sell us the American dream..and the perfect and less than prefect..of men.the big guy dont need to hit first

but the truth is one has raused it to an art
and when they turn against you in unison..thats a clear sign
[funny enough mossad has its policy..to hold both sides of the debate

we are seeing the patterns.a little too LATE
IDF YA THINK THE KIDS GO TO WAR ZONE ARNT THE SALF SAME OCCUPATION FORCES//GLOBAlly..in syria and ukraine..funny enough doth supported by usa/run by the mossad

Steele,
No he has a point but he's expressed it in a long winded and convoluted fashion, Jewish radicals have cried wolf so many times and faked so many of these "attacks" that nobody believes these stories of vandalism and intimidation against minority groups.
On past precedent it's more than likely that someone associated with the Mosque or with a local Anti Racist group carried out the graffiti attacks. Examples from the U.S:
http://themattwalshblog.com/2013/12/06/the-fake-hate-crime-epidemic/
One from Australia, a skinny 17 year old is hit repeatedly with baseball bats by two men but didn't need medical attention afterwards?
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/archive/news/teenager-bashed-in-anti-semitic-attack/story-e6frg6of-1111114221846
Carnita Matthews fake "racism" case:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/judge-could-not-be-sure-who-was-behind-the-veil/story-e6freuy9-1226078801032
From Nashville:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/nashville-muslims-need-to-get-their-stories-straight-about-hate-crime-at-mosque

A Crisis Actor is a person, often with some acting training who is selected or who steps forward to be the face of a particular newsworthy event to which they are connected, being amateurs though they usually stuff it up and end up being so tangled in their own lies that they can't get out of the predicament.
Robbie Parker from Sandy Hook:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKr-av9jVx8
This technique of media manipulation is probably as old as the hills but shysters like Steven Spielberg and Claude Lanzmann elevated it to high farce in recent decades:
Dario Gabbai, the fake Auschwitz Sonderkommando:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk1yzjnapWw
Paul Parks and the fake Dachau liberation narrative:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/Dachau/BostonGlobe131000.html

We plant children; we grow power.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm
Rule by Adjective

The violence of the government can create nothing, so all we can do is manipulate language. This is called the "rule by adjective," or RBA.

RBA essentially consists of the creation of noble sounding phrases that completely disintegrate under the slightest rational or empirical examination. The goal is to use wording that sounds like the tagline of a B-grade action movie, but with flags.

A few examples we are particularly proud of:

· "Building a bridge to the 21st century."

· "[Insert country here] has a date with destiny."

· "No dream is beyond our reach."

· "We're one people bound together by a common set of ideas."

· "Let's celebrate our diversity."

In crafting political language, it's essential to play upon personal relationships, and pretend that the farmers and the sheep are all one big happy family, and that anyone who expresses skepticism or disagreements is not a "team player," and does not want to achieve anything noble or great or good or unselfish. For example:

· "There may be naysayers among us who say that we cannot achieve these great things together, but I say that history will prove them wrong, that the spirit of creativity and unity still lives within our people, and that the final chapter of our civilization has yet to be written!" etc etc.

Notice that no substantial criticism is ever addressed - rather, sly slander is continually layered over the objection until whoever objects is just kind of disliked. (This trick is continually reinforced in movies, where all the bad guys are unlikable, and all the good guys likable, which as anyone who has ever read Socrates knows, is almost always the complete opposite of the truth.)

Now that you have achieved the summit of political power, it is also essential that you project calm, confidence, serenity, and all the other characteristics that are completely inappropriate to the imminent disasters awaiting the tax cattle.

http://board.freedomainradio.com/page/books/the_handbook_of_human_ownership_a_manual_for_new_tax_farmers.html
http://rss.infowars.com/20140420_Sun_Alex.mp3

http://whatreallyhappened.com/node

Jay Of Melbourne,

This link of yours is *GOLD*:
<<Carnita Matthews fake "racism" case -http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/judge-could-not-be-sure-who-was-behind-the-veil/story-e6freuy9-1226078801032>>

Frankly I had forgotten all about it. But it is especially pertinent for this thread because Carnita Matthews was one of Steeles early anti-harassment/ anti-racist icons. And if I remember correctly he refused to condemn her actions.


I was going to suggest it should be made compulsory viewing for all wantabe anti-racism advocates --but on second thoughts it would be like water off a ducks back, they would NOT take it in.

Foxy,
Just to remind you of your sweeping statements regarding Aussie racism.

You could show proof or admit you were misleading the readers of OLO.

Dear Individual,

It's up to you to provide proof for your
sweeping generalisations and statements.
Not anyone else - as any good debater knows.

Posted by Foxy, Monday, 21 April 2014 2:42:27 P

Dear Banjo,

You're really grabing at straws.
I didn't ask anybody to provide
proof of what I had stated.
Individual did of Poirot however, hence
my reply to him. You need to give the
context of things and not be selective
when citing somebody else's comments.
Bad man!

Foxy,
I am asking you to provide proof that your sweeping statements regarding Aussie racism are indeed fact. You made the statements, so it is up to you to provide proof.

Remember, you said, "People who are in denial about racism in this country are simply ignorant. Lets look at the facts - we imprison
brown asylum seekers, we once celebrated our national day
with a white racist riot. There were assaults on Indian
students, a little political organisation called
One Nation, and of course "the intervention" - the heraldic
beak on our long hawkish treatment of Indigenous Australians".

You could admit that you were misleading everyone here, as I am sure you know your 'facts' are incorrect.

This is the 4th time you have been asked, but no matter I will keep on until you speak to the issue. You make grossly untrue statements and then carry on as though they never happened, but I shall keep posting them, just to ensure everybody here knows.

Aussie racism are indeed fact.
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2014/s3989318.htm
watch this and cry

just imagine this guy trying this on some jewish school
its aggressive and pathetic..and the guys are 'aussie'..in a semetic way..its real MOSSAD SYSTEMATIZED/planned in ya face hate..and thats un-australian..even to the point of putting this crap on air/or mentioning it on-line.its pathetic..INSANE..obsessive to the point OF INSANE STALKING/MUSLIM GIRLS/WOMAN..TRY THAT WHITH A BLOND OR A MINESTER

but why its shown to us is so we beg govt for laws
so i cant even explain how absurd your attacks..on on muslims
usually gets its aggressive expression..upon woman and children..or before cameras.

never the less the dude in the video should be charged
its aggressive in ya face insane obsession/BUT THUS WAS IT PLANNED...if you LOT/win the blogging war/I WILL NOT EVER BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK OPENLY..AGAIN

its so bleeding obvious..LIKE THE PAID TO BLOG GREEN LOBBY
we know thee by thyne own words/Yet not all of thee are with ye.they agree [for now]..only to in the end/shut ye down..ta really think coppers arnt there inside ya adl...just watching you?

Yeah "Aussie" Nathan Abela (rolleyes), in the beginning the ADL had crossed Australian and Israeli flags as their logo.
The "defence league" is just another pro assimilation propaganda device, they create a problem to get a reaction so they can provide a solution. "Tommy Robinson" of the EDL is now working with "moderate Muslims" to promote integration,tolerance and intercultural understanding but before that could happen there had to be disintegration, intolerance and intercultural misunderstanding...problem-reaction-solution.
When the ADL and their handlers in the Q Society repudiate multiculturalism it's to support the intercultural, assimilationist agenda.
Ted Cantle:
http://tedcantle.co.uk/resources-and-publications/about-interculturalism/
“Interculturalism is more than a simple set of policies and programmes. It is about changing mindsets by creating new opportunities across cultures to support intercultural activity and it’s about thinking, planning and acting interculturally. Perhaps, more importantly still, it is about envisioning the world as we want it to be, rather than be determined by our and separate past histories.”

Dear Banjo,

I've already answered this question for you on this
thread. You simply won't accept my answers.
I've provided the links - including what people
have actually experienced - you don't seem to
accept any of these as valid. I've even suggested
you Google the issues for yourself because there's
plenty on the subject on the web. Yet you still keep
banging on to me about providing you with "evidence."

Racism isn't about putting on a white hood and
burning crosses. It might be assessing people's
Aboriginality on a colour chart then accusing them of
adopting an ethnic profile for personal gain.

But hey, as our Attorney-General has told us -
it's allright to be a bigot.

Foxy,
Remember, you said, "People who are in denial about racism in this country are simply ignorant. Lets look at the facts - we imprison
brown asylum seekers, we once celebrated our national day
with a white racist riot. There were assaults on Indian
students, a little political organisation called
One Nation, and of course "the intervention" - the heraldic
beak on our long hawkish treatment of Indigenous Australians".

You could admit that you were misleading everyone here, as I am sure you know your 'facts' are incorrect.

Foxy, You made the above sweeping statement back on page 7 and as yet, despite repeated requests, you have not provided any proof of your claims. You need to directly address your claims of 'fact'.

You have simply ignored your claims of Aussie racism.

This is the 5th time you have been asked. To say you have answered the question is an outright lie.

fox/quote..<<>.But hey, as our Attorney-General has told us -
it's allright to be a bigot>>

it has to be ok to be you
i went among the people from 1996 to arround 2004..[maybe 2]
regardless i didnt fit in..with all the types of people i fell in with

anyhow the point is wew either speak freely
or listen to this shiela/talking at 44 minute \mark
http://rss.infowars.com/20140421_Mon_Alex.mp3

its ok to speak up/what else can we do
if our speak hurt any/then sue..but do wwe really want the kids spying on you?..the natzi stazzie thing..we know where no free speech ends.

we dont want to go there
only one race does/the ones who..quite frankly speaking even made up anne frank

listen to the forty four minute mark
then begin your task/LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS..

ZIEG HEIL..FOR THE HOMELAND securitization by SECULARIZATION..

work makes free
JOIN THE DOTS..DESTINY

Dear Banjo,

Now you're simply stirring.
Too ridiculous to engage me.

Foxy,
No, I have not forgotten.

Remember, you said, "People who are in denial about racism in this country are simply ignorant. Lets look at the facts - we imprison
brown asylum seekers, we once celebrated our national day
with a white racist riot. There were assaults on Indian
students, a little political organisation called
One Nation, and of course "the intervention" - the heraldic
beak on our long hawkish treatment of Indigenous Australians".

You could admit that you were misleading everyone here, as I am sure you know your 'facts' are incorrect.

Dear Banjo,

They are not "my" facts.
They are facts presented by people who have
experienced these things. Documented facts, presented by
researchers, and historians - all facts which
are available on the web, in a large number of books,
in given links on this thread,in articles, films, and in
the archives of State, National, and Local libraries. All
sources that you simply choose to ignore or Google
for yourself.
And you continue to bang on about "show me the proof,"
and expect to be taken seriously.
I am no longer interested in
discussing this issue with you any further.
You are entitled to your opinion.
But not your facts.

Foxy,
Again you misrepresent and endeavour to avoid what you said.

Remember, you said, "People who are in denial about racism in this country are simply ignorant. Lets look at the facts - we imprison
brown asylum seekers, we once celebrated our national day
with a white racist riot. There were assaults on Indian
students, a little political organisation called
One Nation, and of course "the intervention" - the heraldic
beak on our long hawkish treatment of Indigenous Australians".

You could admit that you were misleading everyone here, as I am sure you know your 'facts' are incorrect.

The words above are your words, you did not attribute them to anyone else. You made the statement.

If you want to think Aussies are racist and Australia is racist, you are entitled to your opinion, but it is very wrong to claim that by making up 'facts' to suit your argument. The intention is to deceive.

The 'facts' you quote are not racist facts at all and you are well aware of that.

Dear Banjo,

Give it a rest.

All those events I mentioned were taken
from the links I gave on this thread.
Had you bothered to read them
you'd know that. Open your mind. You may
actually learn something.
I shan't be responding to you any further.

Foxy,
Remember, you said, "People who are in denial about racism in this country are simply ignorant. Lets look at the facts - we imprison
brown asylum seekers, we once celebrated our national day
with a white racist riot. There were assaults on Indian
students, a little political organisation called
One Nation, and of course "the intervention" - the heraldic
beak on our long hawkish treatment of Indigenous Australians".
Foxy, OLO Friday 18-4-2014 12.18.35

You could admit that you were misleading everyone here, as I am sure you know your 'facts' are incorrect.

The words above are your words, nobody else's. About time you took responsibility for what you said. You can believe what you like but there is no need to denigrate Australians and Australia, simply to promote the failed ideology of multiculturalism

Dear Banjo,

You think that repeating something is
going to make it true.

Hasn't worked thus far!

Banjo,

You hit on one of the things which is wrong with state sponsored multiculturalism in this country. It trades on misrepresentation--so you get these things trotted out time and time again:

<<We imprison brown asylum seekers>>
we detail ALL illegals --whatever their skin colour.

<<, we once celebrated our national day with a white racist riot>>
Nothing is every said about what provoked it.

<<. There were assaults on Indian>>
This is comical since it was established those doing the attacking were themselves migrants

<<One Nation>>
The usual old boggie man!

Then Foxy comments: <<You think that repeating something is going to make it true.>>

Maybe, but if you say it often enough those who cant think for themselves will swallow it and parrot it.

Let's get one thing straight,One Nation is/was an assimilationist party, they're not Nationalists in any sense of the word since they support race mixing and intermarriage.
The only reason Leftists and "respectable" Conservatives ever mention them is to try and make the case that "One Nation was stupid and One Nation were Nationalists therefore Nationalists are stupid".
Wrong, assimilation and intermarriage is a stupid idea and that's why One Nation failed, if they'd really been "Racist" they might have had more success.
Racism doesn't exist in Australia because there is no nation, "Australian" is not a nationality except in the legal sense, that said there is a growing awareness and acceptance of "White" identity due mainly to the fact that migrants for whatever reason see us as "White".
It doesn't matter what anti Racists and Liberals think or say because their views are purely religious and not grounded in reality, there are such things as races, nations and ethnic groups and in a multiracial society those distinctions only grow stronger over time. Do we really care what Pentecostal Christians or Buddhists think? No we don't so why should we give a second thought to what Anti-Racists and Liberals think?

Foxy,
Remember, you said, "People who are in denial about racism in this country are simply ignorant. Lets look at the facts - we imprison
brown asylum seekers, we once celebrated our national day
with a white racist riot. There were assaults on Indian
students, a little political organisation called
One Nation, and of course "the intervention" - the heraldic
beak on our long hawkish treatment of Indigenous Australians".
Foxy, OLO Friday 18-4-2014 12.18.35

You could admit that you were misleading everyone here, as I am sure you know your 'facts' are incorrect.

Jay, you have posted some pretty weird stuff from time to time, but this latest lot has got to take the cake:
(Mind you, I can't help feeling you're just 'stirring the pot', with the ultimate objective of getting a 'raise' out of someone like me; but, in any event, here goes, and with both barrels..)

> assimilation and intermarriage is a stupid idea and that's why One Nation failed, if they'd really been "Racist" they might have had more success.<

and:

>Racism doesn't exist in Australia because there is no nation, "Australian" is not a nationality except in the legal sense..<

So, you are an anti-anti-racist (ie. 'pro-racist'), white supremacist, head in the sand, self-confessed intellectual 'giant' who simply refuses to see how society, any society, actually works, and, equally importantly, rejects outright the conviction that:
".. And from many lands we come,...I AM, YOU ARE, WE ARE Australian...!!"

You may be a pro-eugenics racial 'purist', but, fortunately, yours is and will hopefully remain a lonely voice on a barren mountaintop howling ineffectually into a raging headwind, as Australia moves inexorably into a 'natural' multicultural 'rainbow' future.

Racism and 'discrimination' alive and well in Oz? You bet; but it's largely confined to 'living in the past' would-be superiority-driven 'purists' like yourself, and it's on the way out - going, going, gone within three or four generations from now (except for the few hold-out ego-driven segregationist-supporting loopies like yourself, and, of course, some religious whackos who really believe that they are God's 'gift' - as long as they 'play the game' along self-same lines that Noak took with him onto the Ark - or possibly as was genetically 'imprinted' into their DNA from their Neanderthal-thinking non-evolved ancestors).

Talk about shades of the 'Australian Defence League' - you're not perchance a 'founding member' are you?

One Nation WAS a xenophobic, anti-immigration, anti-assimilation, anti-integration, anti-Australian mob of non-thinking (or simply deluded) everyday, ordinary mentally-repressed fear-mongers;... and, good riddance.
(We have better and more important things to do than to worry about 'reds under the beds' or a 'Chinese takeover'.)

Dear Saltpetre,

Thank You for expressing what most of us feel.
I've told Jay in the past that he and others
of his ilk can think
whatever they like - however in the general
scheme of things they are a very small regressive
minority who won't make even a dent into the
future of this country. They will end up on the
dung heap of history along with others who are
both cenceptually and intellectually impaired.

So all Foxy and Saltpetre have is insults and straw men, typical.
Neither of you know anything about "Racism" nor do you really understand "Anti Racism", I'm an expert on both so allow me to bring you up to speed on current developments.
I've explained about the ADL and the people who pull their strings, the same goes for One Nation, they create fake "Racist" outrage then gradually draw their supporters over to the Anti Racist side:
This is the English/Australian/Canadian/American Defence League spiritual leader, Rabbi Nachum Shifren:
http://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1106099672/Shifren.png
Their chief ideologue the former communist David Horowitz:
http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/4823/2144/320/128759/david-horowitz.jpg
High priestess Pamela Geller:
http://www.jewishtribune.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/1-Pamela-Geller1-e1367932373704.jpg
High priest Robert Spencer:
http://thebereanwatch.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Robert_Spencer_28.jpg
Indonesian-European consultant Geert Wilders (he dyes his hair to make himself look more Dutch and less Asian:
http://cdn.frontpagemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Wilders.jpg
Australian facilitator Nathan Abela, he's about as convincing a "White" man as Sir Peter Abeles was:
http://images.smh.com.au/2014/04/04/5322651/art-nathanabela-620x349.jpg

You lot getting the picture yet? There are no "Racists" in the "far right", the ADL and Q Society are "Judeo Christian", or to put it in honest terms "Judeo Liberals", they create a problem (Islamophobia), to get a reaction (Anti Racism) so they can put forward a solution (intercultural dialogue with moderate Muslims). What you end up with is, as is happening in the EDL in the U.K a leadership group who were never loyal to the White majority in the first place but who use the vehicle of widespread popular opposition to immigration to elevate their own pro intercultural, Anti White agenda to the mainstream.
So now "Tommy Robinson" the EDL leader has turned on the "thugs and extremists" who supported and protected him and he's now working with "moderate Muslims" to spread a message of tolerance and harmony.
Abela & Co of the ADL and associated groups are about to get their arses handed to them by "ANTIFA" next Friday in Brisbane, this is the point where the persecution narrative begins and the accommodation of "moderate" viewpoints creeps in until the "Racist" group has swung 180 degrees to an Anti Racist, Intercultural platform.

So, Jay, your point is?

That these various 'groups' are 'really' after positive integration and assimilation - and possibly inter-marriage? (As well as 'positive' immigration)?
And, what, is that meant (in your view) to be a 'bad' thing?

Ok, the 'modus operandi' you accuse these groups of is both strange and intensely troubling (whether your inference of their ultimate 'objective' is accurate or not), and hence their activities are to be staunchly opposed and ruled 'out of hand' - as their overt radical, rattbaggery approach is nothing short of paranoia and hate-mongering.

Should the ADL in Oz be condemned, and possibly banned? You betcha!

Am I totally at ease with all aspects of Islam (for example) in Oz? Not at this point; but I refuse to condemn all Muslims (or any other 'group') because some members are presenting some problems, in some areas.
There are better ways to approach any problems we may have, than going off half-cocked and tarring all with the same brush.

How about we try some honest dialogue and understanding - to find acceptable common ground?
And let the law take care of any 'criminal elements' - wherever they may exist, and irrespective of any 'labeling'.
(We certainly don't want any 'vigilantes' or radical white, black, brown or yellow 'supremacist groups' infesting our culture and values (in any guise).

Saltpetre, "who simply refuses to see how society, any society, actually works"

Oh, please enlighten us.
How does a society "work"?

Specifically, how does a "society" comprised of people from 6000 different cultures "work"?

"equally importantly, rejects outright the conviction that:
".. And from many lands we come,...I AM, YOU ARE, WE ARE Australian...!!""

Yes, that sappy song should be seriously studied by the politically astute.

Jay may be anti-miscegenation.
That doesn't mean he's "pro-eugenics".
Very different concepts, oh learned one.

"How about we try some honest dialogue and understanding [HAH!]- to find acceptable common ground?"

There can be no compromise between those who wish to retain our particular socio-biological character and those who wish to demolish it with artificially introduced ethnic chaos.

Foxy, it's your ridiculous utopianism that will end up on the dung heap of history.

Along with your forebears the Commies, Fascists, witch hunters and Inquisitors.
They thought they could save us from ourselves too.

Dear Shocker,

My forebearers fled the communists and the nazis
after their families were tortured and killed.
Others were sent to Siberian gulags. They lost
not only their families but their country, their
possessions, and their status in society.
Just thought you should know before you start
slinging accusations around.

Yes Saltpetre,you understand what I'm talking about.
Normal, well meaning people in the English speaking countries are being hoodwinked into following "Racists" or "Anti Racists" depending on their personal convictions little knowing that they both meet in the middle and support the status quo, it's a diversion, a way to bleed energy out of genuinely alternative positions and sideline authentic dissent.
If you want to see real neo Fascists and neo Communists in the wild look at Athens, or Hamburg or Barcelona
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OyAtxLV-HI
Notice how they're actually fighting each other? There's nothing like this in Australia.
In Europe "Racists" and "Anti Racists" settle disputes with baseball bats,shotguns and petrol bombs, in the anglosphere they only bait each other on Facebook because they're not genuinely committed activists, they all meet in the middle at Liberalism.
You won't get what you want from the Left, I won't get what I want from the Right and neither of us will be satisfied with the centre.
As Shockadelic points out none of the things we want are possible in a multi racial society, your egaltarianism will never be achieved nor will my inegalitarianism.

Cont:
Foxy if your side can build a positive, equal, caring society from the demographic base that we have in 2014 then great! Sign me up, I'm happy with that.
Your side however doesn't fill me with confidence because you're still thinking and speaking as though it's 1949 and you can build off the basis of the old Australia. Heck that model actually worked until the 1980's but notice how the egalitarian cause has been going backwards for about the last 20 years?
It doesn't really matter if "Fascists" end up winning, we're more left than the left ever were, more liberal than the liberals and we're greener than any Green, we're all about healthy minds in healthy bodies in a healthy environment.
If you could have marriage equality, equal pay for equal work, beautiful art and all your Liberal hearts desire in a clean, green futuristic society BUT that nation consisted only of people identifying as either White or Aboriginal would you emigrate there?
Why is it important to have every ethnic group under the sun jammed into a society which is paralysed by ethnic and class divisions and in which these divisions grow more stark with each new generation?
We can't to back to 1949, we can only go forward, where's the evidence that forward motion and the ascent of a society is absolutely reliant on racial assimilation? Bear in mind that the most successful mixed race societies are probably Brazil or Colombia, do you want Australia to look like Brazil in 50 years? See in a mixed race society you always (100% of the time)get White supremacy at one end and Black destitution at the other with coloureds, mulattoes, Asians and all in the middle, is that your idea of "progress"?
This is why I've taken to calling your side White Supremacists, you know damn well what the future is going to look like and in that light all we can assume is that you're doing everything you can to ensure White Supremacy for your grandchildren.

Foxy "My forebearers fled the communists and the nazis"

The ultimate irony.
You have become what your family feared.
A utopian control freak.
Cleansing Australia of its "degenerates" (White nationalists or multi-sceptics).

"They lost not only their families but their country, their
possessions, and their status in society."

Sounds familiar.
What do think is happening to White Australians and will only get more overt and violent over time?

Jay Of Melbourne, yes Brazil is the Tower of Babel the progressives are trying to build here.

People of various racial/ethnic origins.
Independent of colonialism for almost 200 years.
Should be paradise!

Result: Average economic performance.
Slight cultural impact (music/dance, soccer).
Rampant forest clearing.
Racial stratification still present, as you note.

Hardly Utopia.

Dear Shocker,

Do you actually read what you post?

I'm beginning to suspect that you're either
a pubescent 14 year old or a 90 year old
neanderthal - who gets his jollies
by provocation.

In any case - not to be taken seriously.

Islam and Democracy are incompatible.

Dear Is Mise,

That's a rather broad statement and you need
to give us further clarification. Democracy
can only thrive when most of several basic
conditions have been met.

Foxy, resorting to insults again?
You have no way to back your position, that's your problem.
Can you please demonstrate to us how the ascent of a society is reliant upon racial assimilation?
You're suggesting that a bi-racial nation where intermarriage is uncommon would be backward yet we've demonstrated that a poly racial nation in which assimilation is commonplace will be poor and have a huge disparity in all measurable areas between Whites at the top and Negroes at the bottom.
Heck we even nominated the best possible outcome, 45% White Brazil with it's $7000 a year median salary is a booming economy when compared to Haiti or Jamaica. Argentina by comparison, with it's 85% White population has an average salary of about $15,000-18,000.
So the situation is clear, there's a definite relationship between race and prosperity, fewer Whites means less money for everyone.
You can see the same effect everywhere, France, Spain, Greece, the U.S.A, the U.K., Mexico, South Africa...

Foxy, I would tell you what I really think of you, but the comment box keeps telling me to remove those words.

Oh, I get a thrill from provocation.
And it's sooooo easy!

I don't know why people keep using "Neanderthal" as an insult.

It was by breeding with them that we got such large brains.

Only the Negroids didn't interbreed, and their brains are much smaller, with a documented lower intelligence.

I love my fair-skinned, fair-haired, big-brained ancestors.
Love and kisses to Zog and Ug.

And pubescent?
The peak of sexiness and rebellion!
James Dean.

I think I'd much rather the company of pubescent Neanderthals than you, Foxy.

Foxy,
Remember, you said, "People who are in denial about racism in this country are simply ignorant. Lets look at the facts - we imprison
brown asylum seekers, we once celebrated our national day
with a white racist riot. There were assaults on Indian
students, a little political organisation called
One Nation, and of course "the intervention" - the heraldic
beak on our long hawkish treatment of Indigenous Australians".
Foxy, OLO Friday 18-4-2014 12.18.35

You could admit that you were misleading everyone here, as I am sure you know your 'facts' are incorrect.

On another thread, I just now used the term, 'It was the blood, sweat and tears of our forebears that made this country'. Strange, I actually thought of your parents and included them as forbears, along with all the others that came post war (until the 70s) and had it very tough to start.
Not as tough as the pioneers had it, but I don't recall them whinging about their lot. (Maybe some Poms did)

Shocker,
You may be finding that Foxy is a little loose with actual 'facts' which is not unusual for multiculturalists. You see DIVERSITY is the sole aim of the MC lot. They have no further aim, it is their end objective, even though they cannot explain how the diversity benefits us. Therefore if someone cannot see the benefits is automatically a racist. I think that social cohesion would be a better objective, knowing some cultures are too different to integrate

Banjo,
Yes, diversity eh?
I've also yet to hear a multiculturalist explain how diversity benefits globalism.
If we're all to become "global citizens" then surely less diversity is better?
Globalism is premised on standardisation, how is it possible to set standards with a diverse population?
I've also pointed out the the Australia of 1901-1975 was far more culturally diverse than the society we see in 2014 and that all but very elderly migrants are already "Westerners" before they leave home.
Migrants obviously don't value "diversity", middle aged immigration advocates still cling to such notions because they don't want to let go of the old Australia, they thought 1949 would last forever but it didn't.

Dear Shocker and Dear Banjo,

I fully understand the origins of your
complaints. They are deeper, located in
that part of every mind reserved for human fears.
Everyone is prey to these fears, to feeling
threatened by things that are different, to
feelings of sorrow at certainties lost in a future
that has already arrived.

If it all comes down to a fear of change, then
some Australians feel they have earned their qualms.
So many new faces, new cultures, new challenges, the
dizzy carousel of a multicultural nation.
Little wonder that some people (like you guys)
yearn for a pause, a chance for the nation to catch its
breath, to postphone the most potent social change -
of all - the full emergence of the new migrant faiths.

Catholics and Protestants still outnumber others, but
religions such as Islam, Judaism, Orthodox Christianity,
Buddhism and Hinduism are now claiming a fixed and
important part of national life. And, just as certainly,
they are claim8ing a place in the nation's fears.
Especially Islam. There's a perception that some of the
new faithful carry the threat of violence and discord.
The blunt question, is: Will their beliefs and actions
cause Australia harm? And the concern is also - how will
they change the nation, its laws, its politics, its
standards, in future?

Well lets take a look and try to put things into their proper
perspective without stooping to personal insults - I know
that may be ahard ask for some of you but lets try to get
this discussion onto a higher plane.

cont'd ...

cont'd ...

In some way all this comes as a surprise
because it was never planned. When postwar
Immigration Minister Arthur Calwell opened
Australia's rusted gates, he spoke only of the
hands that would help build a nation. It was
somehow forgotten that the migrants would have
hearts and souls as well, and that many would
carry their religion like a private treasure.

Europeans in flight from Hitler brought Judaism,
though there had been Jews in Australia ever since the
First Fleet. Judaism in Australia was revitalised by the
arrival of Holocaust survivors and their families
after World War II. Others from a war-torn continent
stayed true to their Orthodox Christian faith. Turks
arrived with their hopes - and with Islam. By the 1970s,
Vietnamese and other Asians were carrying Buddhism into
the migrant suburbs of every capital.

It is not longer a matter of whether these faiths exist in
Australia - they are a part of the nation.

In a sense, religion and religious culture are at the
heart of multiculturalism, though in all the controversies
about immigration and ethnic differences, about whether or
not there is still such a things as an Australian identity,
religion is hardly every mentioned. And yet behind a
great deal of the apprehension about multiculturalism
lies these questions: Will Australia remain a Christian nation?
Are the new faiths compatible with a liberal democracy?

These uncertainties feed confusion both among the migrant
faiths and within the greater community. This confusion
breeds fear at a time when many people seek re-assurance,
no less so because their fears are grown in part from false
seed and the perception of Muslim violence, created by
television images of frenzied Iranians and effigy-burning
Iraqis. The complaints by Australian Muslims are justified
that ignorance of their origins and their faith causes
some people to link them with the turbulance, of Arab
politics. Most of Australia's Muslims have
Lebanese or Turkish heritage, and
even those from Iraq or Iran make the obvious
point that, "the leaders of those countries don't ask
for our advice before they make their decisions."

cont'd ...

cont'd ...

Other images of zealous and antidemocratic behaviour
are home-grown: the headlines that tell of violence
involving not just Muslims,
but Jews and others. In Melbourne, arsonists attack a
Jewish comunity center and a few days later, 3500
Jews, gathered to mark Israeli independence day, are
evacuated from the Palais theater in St Kilda because
of a bomb scare. In Sydney, during the gulf war,
a molotov cocktail damages the Islamic Cultural
Center at Rooty Hill. Such incidents contribute to a
community sense that the migrant faiths are purveyors of
discord. But are they the culprits or the victims?

In Melbourne, the St Kilda bomb scare is traced to a
neo-fascist, and police suspect the same background to
the arson attempt on the Jewish community center.
Muslims were not involved, any more than Jews were connected
with the mosque bombing in Sydney.

As in almost every case of violence that has been
investigated fully, the most likely culprits have been
Australian-raised racists. In those circumstances
religious groups can only be blamed for violence in the same
way that Westpac can be blamed for bank robberies.

It is the Australian way to believe that things will come
good in the end. Looking back at the nation's placid
history, it seems an honest philosophy. But there has never
been a time quite like this.

Tribes and faiths are jostling, competing for a place,
and as historians of other countries will vouch, no
nation has come through that process unscathed.

In Australia, the process is just beginning.
The nation wanted people. It them to work watched them
build post war Australia. It liked the new tastes,
fashions, and sounds, and cheered the new sporting
champions, even if they did have odd names.

Now comes the hard part. Real multiculturalism is not just
pretty costumes, and spicy food, but gods and creeds,
the stuff of martyrs, death, damnation, eternity,
The stuff to test nations.

cont'd ...

cont'd ...

The challenge is to blend different beliefs
and the cultural differences they create into a
liberal democracy. Somehow, the whole must be
preserved while the ingredients and mix are
changed. It won't happen without problems and
some of the problems will remain for decades.
Jews and Muslims will no sooner find harmony
in Australia than anywhere else. Buddhists and
Hindus will go on suffering the suspicion dealt out
to many minority groups.

Churches and mosques and
synagogues will still become occasional targets at
each switch point of history. And some Australians
will always feel a wisp of fear with every new
headline. But they can cope with that much. The trick
will be to keep it within those bounds, and if that
is done it will be an achievement to dwarf
winged-keel memories and rugby triumphs.

Foxy,
What was the point of that wall of text? You haven't given a single example of "racism" in that 1,000 or so word piece.
What more can we do?
I've shown you that the "Islamophobes" are led by Jewish extremists, that the "Fascists" are led by a Lebanese man,that the "Neo Nazis" work for the state and that the spokespeople for the so called Islamic "Radicals" are all suspiciously blonde and blue eyed.
I'm an expert on the "far right", I've spent eight years corresponding with them via the internet and I can tell you that there precisely ZERO active White "racist" groups in this country.
When did all these "outrages" occur? 1969? Or back in the 1970's when ASIO and the NSW special branch ran National Action?
I think this video sums it up perfectly, you know everything we know and in the privacy of your own home you agree with us but you're too scared to speak about it in public and simply want to wait in the hope that everything will be all right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Wn0tW3erdg
You're scared, we understand, we're scared too because little by little our ability to stand up for our own ethnic interests has been whittled away by the state and on top of that we now have people like you, (our own bloody elders no less) attacking us as well.
It's unprecedented, do you see Lebanese, or Sudanese or Samoan elders trashing their own young people, trashing their ethnic group as a whole and demanding that the people from their community with whom they don't agree be silenced or even jailed?
What if everything is not all right? What if Shepparton ends up like Malmo in Sweden? What happens when immigrant gangs start forcibly driving people out of an area or killing anyone who is not like them like Asuza 13 did in the U.S?
Sorry, we can't do anything about it, we can't speak up or we will be the ones jailed.

"without stooping to personal insults"

Foxy, you're hilarious!

"certainties lost in a future that has already arrived."

Fraid not.

The census shows only a tiny proportion speak other languages, follow other faiths, etc.

Some parts of our major cities might resemble a marketplace along the Silk Road (yes kids, global trade *without* mass immigration goes back millennia!).

But Australia *as a whole* is still the Australia of our parents, grandparents, etc.
Most of the changes are superficial (fashions, technologies).

"some people yearn for a pause, a chance for the nation to catch its breath"

Why not?
Why must immigration (of whatever nature) be perpetual?

In the 1940s, 90% of us were born here.
That must have meant some prior periods of very little influx.

During those lulls, a new EQUILIBRIUM could emerge.

Nature produces periods of chaos/flux: the storm, the volcanic eruption, the bushfire.

But they cannot last FOREVER or you'd have nothing left!
When they pass, new shoots can bloom, nests can be built.

"these faiths exist in Australia - they are a part of the nation."

Yeah, 10% total.
Whoop-de-do.

"Will Australia remain a Christian nation?"

No, but I couldn't care less.
We were on our way to a post-religious society.
Now we have introduced ones we never even needed to deal with before!
Brilliant!

(Ironically many of the most fervent multiculturalists/anti-racists are atheists! What do you want, more religion or less?)

"the leaders of those countries" aren't doing the hijackings, kidnappings, beheadings, genital mutilation of girls.
"Everyday" Muslims are.

"the most likely culprits have been Australian-raised racists."

i.e. racist = nationalist = violent criminal = evil.
Ergo ipso facto nationalism = evil.

Of course the acts of criminal/violent Muslims shouldn't inspire a similar generalisation about Muslims.

"Looking back at the nation's placid history"

And why the hell do you think it was so placid?!
Because the rest of the world and its incomprehensible chaos was "over there", half-a-planet away, not in our own streets.

"no nation has come through that process unscathed."

The first honest thing you've ever said.
Get ready for The Troubles.

Shocko,
What the multiculturalists/anti-racists cannot grasp is that they are not part of a majority in any sense of the word, they are part of a global minority and one of the smaller ethnic groups in the hemisphere.
OK, fine, they're cowards, we get it but we're asking them to remain silent, to stay out of it and to stop using whatever influence they have to block and undermine activity which is intended to benefit all our people.
I honestly don't care what a person's beliefs are, I care about what race and which ethnic group they identify with and whether they want us to survive or not. I've never met a person of another ethnic group who genuinely hated us and who has dedicated their life to destroying us the way many White "Anti Racist" and Left/Liberals do, most foreigners like us, they don't judge us or find fault in everything we do.
So Foxy, do you want European ethnic groups to survive?
If you do then that has to be the entire focus of your public life and persona, if you can't say something positive about your own ethnic group then at least have the decency to stay silent and to back others instead of undermining them.

Foxy,
Remember, you said, "People who are in denial about racism in this country are simply ignorant. Lets look at the facts - we imprison
brown asylum seekers, we once celebrated our national day
with a white racist riot. There were assaults on Indian
students, a little political organisation called
One Nation, and of course "the intervention" - the heraldic
beak on our long hawkish treatment of Indigenous Australians".
Foxy, OLO Friday 18-4-2014 12.18.35

No I will not enter into a prolonged discussion with you as you have already made your feelings clear about Australia.

As I said it is a pity you can't admit your 'facts' are wrong, it is a question of having the character to do that.

JoM,
I want to make it clear that I care nothing about ethnicity or race.

My interest is in cultures that can adapt to our society, in other words integrate. I do not want people here if they persist with alien cultural practices. I don't care what the Croats and Serbs have been fighting about for a thousand years, I don't want them here. I don't care why the sunnis and Sharia muslims fight in Syria, I don't want their violence here. Seems we have few problems with non muslim Lebs, it is the muslim Lebs that are a problem and I do not want them here. If the Sri Lankans want to fight each other, they can do that elsewhere. If African refugees cause social problems then no more of them either. These are examples. Just stop importing problems.

There are millions of refugees, we don't have to continue bringing those we know give us problems.

I understand that some cultural habits are very ingrained and the continued importation of problem groups just refreshes the ingrained habits and hatreds. So the logical answer is to stop allowing these groups in.

Sorry Jay and 'Shocker', I have constructed a considered piece following this, but I fully realize that it will fall on totally deaf ears.
I know I am wasting my time, but you both deserve to be punished, so I will persist.

Oz has successfully 'assimilated' Greeks and Italians, and a host of other Europeans, and quite a few Asians (mostly Chinese) with very little 'difficulty'. This is fact.
But you two seem myopically focused on 'problems' you see with Middle-Eastern and African/NON-White immigrants.
You appear determined that these simply cannot be 'assimilated' without bringing about the complete destruction of our 'culture' and our way of life.
You are both therefore obviously brazenly-racist, xenophobic, paranoid, Islamophobic, short-sighted, white-supremacist, and wrong.

I have to side solidly with Foxy on this; her's is a song of hope and of conviction to make a better world; yours is a dirge of paranoia and despair - you have lost before you start, because you look exclusively for problems rather than for solutions.
TBC> (although I know you're not interested).

Continued:

There is a way to make multiculturalism work, and it involves watering-down and even isolating 'differences', and finding and working on commonalities, common best-interests.
People of difference have been getting along for centuries, in very many settings, and it is only when some area of difference is magnified, focused upon and exaggerated that real problems arise - and often for some 'cause' which is not really associated with the actual 'problem' - as where economics, disadvantage, unemployment or unequal employment is/are the 'real' issue, but the focus is placed on 'ethnicity' or religious difference - or some other 'red-herring'.

Ignoring, or worse still, downplaying 'real' areas of discrimination or real causes of discontent can generally be relied upon to get people's hackles up, big-time.
Problems need to be addressed head-on - or preferably anticipated and avoided before they become an 'issue'.

How to avoid issues? Firstly by being selective in our immigration program, and secondly by providing structured avenues for introducing newcomers to our 'culture' and way of thinking, and following through by providing ongoing support by way of skills training, apprenticeships, cadetships, constructive and meaningful jobs in a supportive and understanding work environment, and the provision of community facilities and programs to assist newcomers to meet, mingle and become at ease with the other members of the community in which they live - and for those other members (Aussies) to become familiar with and at ease with the newcomers.

Life is a two-way street.
If we want to make integration and assimilation work, we can. If we want only to focus on differences and potential problems, we will make it fail.

Firstly we have to have jobs; secondly we have to have people willing and capable to do those jobs; if some Aussies feel certain work, certain jobs, are 'beneath them', or just too hard, then we need someone else to do those essential jobs. Answer: migrants.
Don't like it? Build a better, more adaptable and more flexible Aussie - and get over thinking the only 'decent' Aussie is a 'white' Aussie.

Saltpetre,
You said, "How to avoid issues? Firstly by being selective in our immigration program"

I am interested to see what you propose to be the selection criteria for immigrants and genuine refugees.

The selection criteria I would like is outlined in my last post on this thread.

Dear Saltpetre,

Thank You as always - for your well reasoned
post.

We know that in some cases, people who practise
the migrant religions are subjected to
indignities inflicted through pettiness, cruelty,
and misunderstanding. In Coffs Harbour, NSW -
Sikhs have been refused entry because their
turbans supposedly breach a club rule against hats.
In Melbourne Hassidic Jews wearing full beards
and earlocks are taunted by passing drivers, and
during the Gulf War some cowards singled out Muslim
women jostling them on footpaths, heaping vile
abuse on them, and spitting at them from cars.

In the media, a television ad for gravy mix shows a
group of saffron-clad Buddhits monks tucking into a
meat stew - an unthinkable affront to their faith -
while a newspaper cartoon has Saddam Hussein exposing
his buttocks in a mosque. In terms of sacrilege, a
Christian equivalent might be a corn-chips advertisement
featuring a crucified Jesus. "We just want to be
treated equally," pleads a worshipper at a nearby mosque.
Slowly, and most importantly, this, for most reasonable
people in Australia is beginning to happen.

Religion has never held a formal place in the Australian
legal system. In theory, the law is secular, based on the
everyday values of reasonable people.

But religion has still had its influence, helping shape the
community values the law applies. When most patrons of
our public transport systems shared an Anglo-Celtic
heritage and religion came in two dominant brands,
standards were fairly uniform. Not now, when our transport
systems carry passengers of a dozen cultures and a like
number of religious backgrounds.

The problem for the law is how to allow for the range
of attitudes and values created by such diversity.
If there are too many concessions to religious minorities,
majority opinion could be outraged: too few concessions,
and many Australians would be torn between the law
and their faith.

The compromise, as drafted by the Australian Law Reform
Commission, is that, "the law should support individual
religious and cultural freedoms where their
significance to the individual outweighs the harm the law
seeks to prevent..."

cont'd ...

cont'd ...

Some cases decide themselves. For example,
a minority of Muslims believe in female circumcision.
In Australia, the practice is abhorred and treated
as an assault. Compromises is impossible in this case.
In other instances, it is essential. Take polygamous
marriage, which is illegal in Australia. Members of
some religions, including the Mormons, may enter such
marriages legally overseas before coming here.
They can't be forced to change their family structure,
and so the law recognises their married status.

Other situations require finer judgements, such as how to
decide these cases: a Sikh, wearing a turban as a
matter of religious duty, is charged with failure to use
a motocycle helmet; a Jehovah's Witness refuses a
blood transfusion for a dying child; the RSPCA argues for
a ban on the ritual slaughter of animals, necessary to
sanctify the meat for Muslim and Jewish consumption; a
Jewish woman, granted a civil divorce is barred by her
religion from re-marrying until she obtains a religious
divorce.

As things stand, the Sikh is likely to be given a helmet
exemption; the Jehovah's Witness may be charged with
manslaughter; halal slaughter in the name of Allah will
continue; the Family Court may pressure the divorcee's
ex-husband but has no real power to force a religous
separation.

Every decision is important because, as the Law Reform
Commission says in recent discussion papers, the final
answers to questions of religion will affect all
Australians.

As one Commissioner stated, people ask, "What's happened
to Australian values?" But those values are now
dramatically different and the system just has to change
to cope with that - And the changes have to apply to
everyone."

See you all on another discussion.
I have nothing further to add.

Saltpetre "you both deserve to be punished"

Ouch! Yes, Ma'am can I have another? Ooh!

"Oz has successfully 'assimilated' Greeks and Italians, and a host of other Europeans"

Not surprising.
We're part of a cultural continuum going back 6000 years.

"You appear determined that these simply cannot be 'assimilated'"

I don't want Africans, Arabs and Indians pretending they're "Australians, mate".

I want them to be Africans, Arabs and Indians.
In Africa, Arabia and India.
Where that makes perfect sense.

"There is a way to make multiculturalism work, and it involves watering-down and even isolating 'differences', and finding and working on commonalities, common best-interests."

That's exactly what multiculturalism isn't.
MC is all about the differences, not the commonalities.

"assist newcomers to meet, mingle and become at ease with the other members of the community in which they live - and for those other members (Aussies) to become familiar with and at ease with the newcomers."

And wouldn't that be a hell of a lot easier if those people were already similar/related to us in the first place?
The shorter the gap, the easier the leap.

"get over thinking the only 'decent' Aussie is a 'white' Aussie."

No, the only "Aussie" is a White Aussie.
Decent or despicable.

"Aussies/Australians" were, are, and always will be White.
We were White 200 years ago, 100 years ago and 50 years ago.
We will still be White (if we survive at all) in another 200 years.
Anyone else is something else.

I cannot *be* Turkish, Thai or Tahitian just by adopting their "ways".
(They would probably snicker at my attempts).

I could become a member of their nation to some extent, but I and they would never refer to me as *being* Turkish, Thai or Tahitian.

The others can be our friends, lovers, spouses, colleagues, teammates, neighbours (if we *want* them to be).
But "Aussie", they cannot be.

Foxy "I have nothing further to add."

Oh, did you add something?
I must have missed it.

Well Shocker, you hit the nail on the head:

>"Aussies/Australians" were, are, and always will be White.
We were White 200 years ago, 100 years ago and 50 years ago.
We will still be White (if we survive at all) in another 200 years.
Anyone else is something else.<

Talk about head in the sand.

I'm afraid the horse has well and truly bolted, and we have second and third generation 'Aussies' who look Chinese, Lebanese, Afghani, Iranian, Indian, and just about every other 'rainbow' colour, and most are talking 'Strine', texting, tweeting, facebook-ing, etc, in English (or 'Stralian') and in many cases doing it way better than you or I can.
(And some would have a far better understanding of 'Aussie' history than many 'umpteenth-generation' 'Aussies'.)

And many first-generation 'Aussies' are also 'having a go'.
(And many of them doing a far better job of it than some of our 'original' Australians - but that's a whole 'nuther story - but, in your view, do these not also qualify as 'Aussies'? Sort-of White, maybe, but some not wanting a bar of 'White'? An ongoing dilemma.)
TBC>

Continued:

To the bottom-line: It's the job of multiculturalism to break-down the boundaries, to expose people from other nations and cultures to our much better more-inclusive 'culture' of law, democracy, tolerance, egalitarianism, opportunity and a 'fair go' for all.
Given time, boundaries can be broken down, and good 'ol Aussie culture will still not be substantially changed. Some concessions, yes, but only at the edges, and the central 'fabric' remaining intact.

'They' will become 'Aussie', given a reasonable chance. Maybe not as Aussie as you or Banjo and perhaps many others, but in all but 'appearance' damn near as Aussie as the next bloke - in business, in our universities, schools, shops, shopping centres, workshops, factories, major cities and regional centres and towns, and in politics.

It's a new age, in Oz, and around the world, and baying at the 'tide' will not make it advance or recede.
We all need to get with the times, and do our best to shape the future, or it will happen anyway, and perhaps not as 'we' would like it.
(Sure, some things - FGM, etc - Oz cannot, and will never accept. That is a given. The Chinese stopped foot-binding centuries ago; people can change for the better - not the least, ourselves.)

And you can bet these new Aussies will respect 'Anzac' - many have seen and been overtaken by far worse, and not 100 years ago.
Give 'em a chance - nothing more, nothing less.

Dear Saltpetre,

A thought just occurred to me.

If as Shocker tells us Australia "will always
be white," why do so many of our young people
sit in the sun and try to be brown?
Is it because they're really
trying to blend in to today's Australia?

Dear Foxy,

I don't know that young (white) Aussies are trying to 'blend in' to our new, ever-changing social environment. From what I've seen on TV some are trying like crazy to 'stand out' in a form of ritual re-enactment of a faded and fading impression of a past rebellious Oz - drinking too hard, rabble-rousing partying, testing boundaries and maybe 'shocking' their parents. (But they are hopefully a minority.)

I think many of our youth (white and otherwise) must be just as perplexed as we 'olds' about the changing 'landscape', and about their potential futures in a rapidly evolving world-scape.
I guess we just have to do our best to make sure that they are provided with the necessary tools to cope, to take advantage of opportunity, and to not only survive but to positively craft this evolving future to their advantage.

Saltpetre "Well Shocker, you hit the nail on the head"

Yes, I did. But it's you with your head in the sand.

Do you acknowledge that Zulus are Black/Negroid?
That that's what they are and have been for as long as anyone can remember?

Do you acknowledge that Tibetans are Asian/Mongoloid?
That that's what they are and have been for as long as anyone can remember?

Or do you deny this?

Do Zulus and Tibetans have a particular nature/character/biology/morphology or not?

Can *anyone* be a Zulu or Tibetan, just by donning the right clothes and speaking their language?

For all your pontificating about accepting ethnic groups, you fail to even comprehend what an "ethnicity" even is!

Ethnicity *includes* genetic ancestry, biological morphology.

Zulus and Tibetans shouldn't need to morph into some panethnic form that bears no resemblance to their historical character lest they offend someone, and neither do we.

"I'm afraid the horse has well and truly bolted"

The horse is barely awake.

The majority of the population still descend from the same British/European ancestry as it did generations ago.

77% speak English only, and no other language is more than 1.6%.
70% were born here, and 54% had Australian-born parents as well.

The census "conveniently" no longer asks what race, or even ethnicity, people identify as, but you can presume the vast majority of those English-speaking, native-born people are White.

You can also presume most of the immigrants (until recently) were European.

"Other" religions total only 10%.

About a quarter of all immigrants leave the country.
Half are too old to have children.

If non-White immigration stopped *now*, the long term impact of the "others" would be miniscule.

Why should we have to "break-down the boundaries" that your policy has artificially introduced!?

If you weren't bringing alien peoples into this land, there'd be no boundaries to break!

"It's a new age"

I think you overestimate the power of this week's ideological theory over million-year-old human instincts.

Foxy "A thought just occurred to me."

Were you scared?
People are often frightened by novel experiences.

Shocker,

'Aussie' is a nationality, and a cultural identity, not an ethnicity.

'We' are a weird mob, partly because we have such a wide diversity of ethnicities recognizable throughout Oz' history, even from the first fleet, and increasingly as active and constructive constituents within our constantly evolving social fabric.
And 'we' have continued to move forward.

Ours is the best county on Earth, not because we are homogeneous, but at least partly because we are diverse and have continued to thrive.
And in spite of, or perhaps partly because of our diversity, we have been largely immune from internal disruption.
'We' get along with one-another. (A fantastic model.)

I'm not suggesting we should welcome all comers; I don't believe 'big Oz' would be in our best interests; but we do need to keep growing, responsibly, and it's what's under the skin that determines who could make a good 'Aussie' and who wouldn't.

I'm not going to get into ethnicities, or religions, but some asylum seekers would suit me much better, as potential Aussies, than some ex-IRA or KKK good-ol'-boys.

Saltpetre "'Aussie' is a nationality, and a cultural identity, not an ethnicity."

No, Australians are an ethnic group.
They are biologically and culturally descended from Europeans (primarily British).

And almost all European peoples are descended from a common bio-cultural origin too, going back 6000 years.

People were calling themselves "Australians" before the political nation "Australia" even existed.
And those people were White.

Look at the photographs, portraits and statues from past centuries.
White, White, White.

Yes, there are "others" in our history, but they are a TINY FRACTION, a blink-and-you'll-miss-it phenomena, with no significant influence.

If salmon only swim among salmon, they may not notice their "salmonness".
When they suddenly confront an octopus or eel, they realise they're "salmon" and these other creatures are not.

The more "others" you artificially impose on us, the more "Australians" will become self-conscious of their particular ethnicity.

And your kind wonder why "racism" and nationalism are rising!
It's the direct result of YOUR policy!

Action / Equal and opposite reaction.

Dear shocker,

Love to hear your take on White South Africans.

Shockadelic wrote "Australians are an ethnic group".

So I presume you'll now pack your bags, sell your pushbike and leave Australia IMMEDIATELY, so the Aborigines can have "their" country to themselves, without ethnically impure outsiders like you polluting their country with your ethnic presence.

Using "your" ethnic viewpoint YOU should get out, and get out NOW.

Shockadelic wants Australia to be "white". Cool. That will bring us peace and harmony all right. Let's invite 100,000 "whites" from Russia and Ukraine to migrate here. After all they're "white", and are bound to get along.

Nhoj,time to learn:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKDeyuM0-Og

Jay of Melbourne .. you just displayed your low intelligence for all the world to see. And it doesn't even embarrass you.

Nhoj.
Translation: "I'm too thick to understand the context of Jay's link so I'll reply with insults just to have the last word"

Saltpetre,
You said, "Give 'em a chance - nothing more, nothing less".

The groups I have referred to, that caused problems and cannot integrate, have been here for 3 or more generations, so have had their chance. They still carry on with ancient hatreds and contempt for us and our society. They still think their cultures and religious laws come ahead of Aussie law.

I suggest that we stop allowing in the problem groups. We should by now realize that some will never integrate.

Do you agree that we should stop allowing immigration of people from those groups that persist with alien cultural practices? Or do we accept this as the price for diversity.

BAN JEHOVAHS CHILDRENS/QUOTE..<<..They>>

theyis so generally speaking[which they the crininal they the sex they the age they or the race day

they seems like just one more shade of gray/they

<<>.>> still carry on with ancient hatreds>>

as do we and yet its worked so far..as soom as they vecame them versus us them

they..wgo ogno ancient races[oe like you]
what should we do unto you/what would you have us to to stop the hate in you?

<<..and contempt..for us
>

the same as your contempt for them?

how can we beat it out of you?

<<..and our society.>>

try giving good coin for i coin
love other..as the way to love god

<<>. They still think their cultures and religious laws come ahead of Aussie law.>>

you still seem to think yours dont stink either
same same[you will love racist hell/just all races hating eacvh other reforming them

<<I suggest that we stop allowing in the problem groups.>>

i suggest we ick the haters out

<<>. We should by now realize that some will never integrate.>>

but its not too late here is your flight ticket..good luck in your hasterrs state mate

<<>>>>>freaingh mas deletion

<<.. Or do we accept this as the price for diversity.>>

no i rekon kick out expel ban/expluse haters
be thewy our haters or yours...hate is hate mate[iTS A WASTED EMOTION MATE]

DONT TAR ALL WITH THE SAME HATE BLUSH.,

Dear Banjo,

I assume of course you are including Jewish people in your list therefore you are happy in be labelled anti-Semitic.

Banjo wrote, "we should stop allowing immigration of people from these groups that persist with alien cultural practices".

Using "Banjo's" logic, Banjo should therefore pack up his bags and LEAVE AUSTRALIA for good. After all he's "white", and "his" ethnic group imposed THEIR alien cultural practices on the original occupiers of this continent.

So, out of good conscience and adherence to "his own stated morality" Banjo should LEAVE AUSTRALIA.

I'm happy to attend his farewell party

Nhoj,
Can you name one Aboriginal activist who supports exile of White people under any circumstances?
Aboriginals are mostly decent people,self hating Whites are the scum of the earth, Aboriginals aren't as stupid as you people seem to think, they can see what type of people "Anti Racists" are.
Aboriginals, unlike Anti Racists also understand and accept the widely held principle that two wrongs don't make a right, that unfair treatment of one ethnic group can't be used to justify the unfair treatment of another.
You do understand that you're using the same logic as Hitler, Heydrich, Goebbels & co, they justified their ethnic cleansing of Jews in large part by their exposure and condemnation of the gross crimes of Bolshevik Jews against the people of Eastern Europe.
Racists..it takes one to know one.

HA ha ha ha ha ha .. when anyone brings up *HITLER* in their defence we know for certain they've lost the argument. Poor old Jay. Hilarious.

I'm not on the defensive Nhoj, you are.
Would you please name the Aboriginal activists who support the exile of White people?
How do you reconcile using Hitlerian style logic in the cause of "Anti Racism"?
Why are you promoting the idea that two wrongs make a right when the accepted wisdom in every society on earth is that they do not?

Ahh, here we go again. Ha ha ha. Poor Jay.

(1) I didn't say "aboriginal activists" (predictable politically correct "term" you use there, ha ha) support the exile of white people. It's BANJO'S logic that supports opposition to "alien culture", and you totally missed that point. Jay my son, you really need to learn how to read and comprehend. I blame your school teacher.

(2) Ah, the "Hitler" defense yet again. Careful, or I might bring up the Mao defense against you. I bet you're now quivering.

(3) What 2 wrongs am I advocating? Spell it out son. Is this something based on your right wing political correctness, or is it based on your inability to read and comprehend? Remember, it's BANJO'S logic that supports opposition to "alien cultures". The original inhabitants were here FIRST, and thus WHITE people are the "alien culture". Duh !!

Now before you reply Jay, remember my comments 4 posts above referred to logic used by *BANJO*. Now Jay, please make an effort to comprehend this. I know it's hard for you, and I do sympathise, but please be a good boy and "try". Thanks so much.

SteeleRedux "Love to hear your take on White South Africans."

In what regard?
How they style their hair?
Elaborate.

Nhoj, the British arrived here centuries ago.
What's happening now in our own lifetime in *within our control*, what happened centuries ago is not.

We are "Australians", not British, Irish or any other people.
This *is* our homeland.

How can you condemn what happened to Aborigines (who you implicitly accept are a people distinguishable from "Australians") yet expect us to celebrate what's happening today to *our* people?

What was wrong in 1788 (when done to Blacks) is still wrong in 2014 (when done to Whites).

Russians and Ukrainians have problems over their political *borders*.
Those border disputes don't exist here, do they?

There are already plenty of those people here already and they don't seem to be causing any problems.
Probably because they can blend in easily.

There have been myriad disputes between various European peoples over the centuries. They never last forever.
And it doesn't stop them (and us) sharing many genetic and cultural elements.

Every people on Earth have been at war with another people at some time or another, has invaded or been invaded, some people many times.
So what?! That's history, contracultural immigration is happening NOW.

If you don't support wars/invasions, why do support the inevitable displacement of White Australians by an anything-and-everything immigration policy?
Do the displacers need to be firing bullets before you object?

Native-born Whites have gone from 90% of the population in the 1940s to around 60% today.
If we were a darker-skinned people, you'd call that "genocide" or "ethnic cleansing" and condemn it.

Shockadelic, you've just made several fatuous claims, obviously based on your adherence to your version of political correctness.

(1) You're falsely implying that the decimation of aboriginal culture, the historical killing of thousands and thousands of aboriginees, their displacement from "their" lands is NOW HAPPENING TO WHITE PEOPLE in Australia. What hogwash you imply!! Ummm son, you are clearly 100% ruled by your radical dogma and political correctness.

(2)And, when it's pointed out to you that white people aren't perfect and they fight and bicker (just like your hated dark people do) what do you do? You offer "excuses" for the "white" people. Your political correctness knows no bounds.

(3) You then proceed to lie about our immigration policy, saying it lets everything and anything in and that it's "inevitable" that "white" Australians will be displaced. Shockadelic, you are fearful and paranoid to the point of needing psychological assistance. Luckily, such radical and dangerous thoughts come only from a tiny, tiny minority of people who are slaves to their dangerous, divisive ideology.

Nhoj,
Given that you claim to speak in defence of Aborigines in calling for the exile of ethnic White Australians can you name the Aborigines who support your way of thinking and whom among them would be willing to join you and publicly lobby for such a program?
You further assert that unfair treatment of one ethnic group justifies the same treatment being meted out to another ethnic group, ie that two wrongs make a right, which of the Anti Racism activists in this country have supplied an ideological or for that matter scientific justification for such a conviction?
I can think of one notable political tendency which was premised on such a world view, whereupon the depredations visited upon particular ethnic groups were used as in part as a justification for actions against another. It's called National Socialism and quite apart from it's defunct German antecedent that tendency is still presenting problems in India, Syria, Burma and Egypt.
It's also notable that the avowed Anti Racist EU is using Neo Fascism as it's motif in it's various adventures in Eastern Europe, lately in Ukraine as is widely known by readers of this site. In that light perhaps your attitude is understandable, the old Brownshirt jargon, tactics and regalia are being re purposed by Western Neo Liberals and Anti Racists.

I WOULD MAKE IT A NEW TOPIC..but*
do natzies deserve human rights
is calling some one a natzi not taking away their right of reply

isnt it much ie the trick question

ARE YOU STILL BEATING your wife
the inferance is there e
http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?f=114&t=33166

FOR NATZIE READ ABO AVO..DOPPER NUTTER INSANE DENIER
BOAT-PEOPLE TOWEL HEADS CHIKS ZINKZ FINKS DONKS WONKS AND NONGS

but really this is what really burns..me
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/enron-2-0-wall-street-wants-manipulate-state-energy-markets-just-like-manipulates-every-market.html

if only reading a bit begin at the end
then comes the cure...vote none of the above*..[johan for pres]

Far out OUG, I actually understood that one.
Well indeed,Anti War activists get the rough end of the pineapple all right but the power to shut people up by screaming "Nazi" has greatly diminished since Zundel and Rudolf were so shamefully treated. For the same reasons that I don't think we'll see too many more "factual" documentaries on the concentration camps I doubt we'll see many, if any more "denier" prosecutions. The last time an article was presented minimising the official death toll at Auschwitz in 2003 the German authorities declined to prosecute the author, Fritjof Meyer even though a criminal complaint had been made.
Here's Meyer's article, for what it's worth I think even this explanation falls flat and it's backed in large part by the testimony of a proven liar:
http://www.vho.org/GB/c/Meyer.html
Did you listen to Ryan Dawson's extended interview with David Cole-Stein?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu1Q6VMgI8w

Nhoj, (1) blah (2) blah (3) blah.

Obviously English is a second language for you.

I didn't "imply" the same *events* are occurring.
I stated the same RESULT is happening.

Whether it's done with bullets or passports, the end RESULT (not the literal acts) is the same.

You think White Australian culture won't be "decimated" as the non-White population goes up, up, up forever?

The overt atrocities against Aborigines were few and far between.
(You think there won't be violence against White Australians? As if!).
What "decimated" them, was the growing proportion of foreigners.

Even if a single shot had never been fired, they would have dwindled proportionately as more, more, more foreigners arrived.

That's what's happening now to White Australians, only more gradually and not by a singular source.
Yet you celebrate the current displacement but condemn the former.

Our immigration policy is "non-discriminatory".
So we do let in people of *any* and *every* ethnicity.
Does every sentence have to be written in little baby words so you understand?

"slaves to their dangerous, divisive ideology."

I don't have an ideology.
I have reality.

You're the ones with a dangerous ideology that ignores the real world: the lessons of history (ethnic conflicts/separatist movements) biology (outbreeding depression, amygdala response) and economics (GDP-per-capita).

Shockadelic:

The 1980's seems like a lifetime ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3SBcMByEEI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxz7CYkQltE
Where did it all go so wrong? I never thought at age 46 I'd be advocating White Separatism as an alternative to multiculturalism, I thought things would have worked out...heck I WISH things had turned out differently but from the mid 90's we started going backwards.

Shockadelic wrote, "I stated the same result is happening".

That utterly ignorant and false statement from you clearly shows you have *ZERO* comprehension of the results of aboriginal cultural decimation. It proves your motivation is not a misguided ideology, but out and out anti black -- RACISM.

Nobody, but an extremist racist, could in these days of enlightenment, be even remotely unaware of the cultural decimation of the Aboriginal culture, by the white invaders, over the centuries. A proud culture, now in the throes of slow repair.

Joe Lane where are you now?
"There are simplistic, bourgeois ideas about what causes rage in such (remote) communities - simplistic, naive, self-serving, urban, bourgeois view(s).. The jig is up."
http://blip.tv/slowtv/the-politics-of-suffering-peter-sutton-with-marcia-langton-2477583
Advice for white Indigenous activists in Australia (Gary Foley)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEGsBV9VGTQ
How do we remember our colonial past? ~ Tony Birch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bSfRL7uA5I
Crazy people like Nhoj are the problem, whenever issues between Ethnic Whites and other groups arise they jump in front of the non White party and start screaming at the Whites, the Whites get angry and walk off and nothing is ever resolved, this is why we are going backwards.
Seriously, we now have two blonde haired, blue eyed White women, Rebecca Kay and Susan Carland who are the media's hand picked pundits when a defense of Islam is required. How is any progress possible when the Ethnic White majority is never presented with an accurate picture of the non White groups and are never permitted to approach them? What this is is White Supremacy in action and it's impossible to believe that the "bleeding hearts" don't know what they are doing.

Nhoj,
Of course it'd never occur to you that ethnic White culture has also been devastated over period of 100 years and that just maybe we need "healing" as well? Between 1915-18 from a population of five million we lost 60,000 men killed and saw another 150,000 disabled by wounds.
Imagine Sydney today and try to think of what an impact the loss of 200,000 men in three years would have?
Then in 1939-45 we lost another 150,000 fit, functional men, 30,000 of whom were killed.
Maybe you need to leave the worrying about Aboriginal business to the Aboriginals and think about what you need to do to help out your own ethnic group, because the better we are the better everyone else will be.
Stupid White people like you need to STFU, what you do when you mouth off and pull stunts like vandalising Cook's cottage before Australia day is put Aboriginals in the firing line for retaliation by the real pinheads among the White majority (and yes they do exist, as they do in every ethnic group).
"White guilt" is a cop out, it's the refuge of White people with an identity crisis of their own, your type can't make it in White society so you're looking for another tribe to take you in, that's pretty much all there is to it. Anti Racists are White society's pariahs and rejects and they are looking for a way to get revenge on the people who reject them as weaklings and screw ups.

Nhoj, and only an anti-White racist, well aware of the slow death of White Australians, would not see we are also "a proud culture" being decimated by 80% non-White immigration, that will never stop no matter what the social or economic consequences.

I've heard the plastic posturing, parroting and pontificating many times before, Njoj.

There isn't a sincere bone in your body.

You don't care about Whites, Blacks or anyone else.
You just want to flatter your own ego, saying all the "right" words and patting yourself on the back at how wonderful you are.

I am honest enough to know that if this continues, there will be a war.
Your policy will send us (and the immigrants you claim to care about so much) into hell (with Aborigines caught in the crossfire).

"anti-black"?
Do you mean Aborigines?

They are the *only* non-White people with any genuine right to live here.
It's the exotic aliens that I question being here.

They are not native, nor are they the descendents of the people who built this country.
They have no rightful claim on this territory.

If Aborigines wanted a separate territory all for themselves, I wouldn't try to stop that.

Though I doubt that would be in their best interests (look at the fiasco of ATSIC or almost any other Aborigine-run administration).

They already have a defacto territory anyway: NT (but again, not doing so well).

noise/the whities are making a land claim tomorrow
i will be obtaining 7 liens.

COURT TOMORROW
JUDGMENT DAY BEGINS TOMORROW
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6293&page=10

to-gather;
..IN THE END WE ALL DID IT..together
not just for the one true good..but for everyone
who is not living/but their living is sustained by god?
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6293&page=10
ALL SHALL BE REVEALED
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6304&page=0
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6326&page=0

Well the 2 forum racists, Shockadelic and Jay Of Melbourne, continue to carry their racism and inhumanity with pride. So be it. I bet they're really mad that they live here and not in the USA. They could join the KKK then. And with the KKK being so Christian influenced, I'm sure One Under No God would join too, if only he could.

Yep, they'd then be 3 brothers in arms, protecting our severely threatened, pure white race from the hated, evil blacks.

Yawn

Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/05/eric-holder-offers-to-sen_n_5268566.html

U.S.Attorney/General Eric Holder..is offering law enforcement assistance*.to help rescue more than ..200 Nigerian schoolgirls

This is another propaganda exercise to sell you a war. When this story about the girls first appeared I questioned the timing, since sex trafficking is a global problem..
http://www.salvationarmy.org/zambia/58463662987724C68025770B00354BF3

..that normally does not rate headline coverage..[Israel is a major trafficker of women for sexual purposes, along with Sri Lanka, Thailand, Macau, Japan, Switzerland, Germany, and the United States.]

http://www1.american.edu/ted/traffic.htm

You never see that on ABCNNBBCBSFOX!

So why the sudden focus in Nigeria?

Nigeria is rich in oil, coal, lignite, gold, iron, uranium, and semi-precious gems. The US has expanded the petro-dollar system into an agenda to take control of all of the world's resource-rich regions so that those resources are only sold for the US dollar, giving Wall Street a mafia-like "piece of the action" of all commerce in those raw materials.

Africa is the world's largest store of undeveloped natural resources, which is why it is a target of the US' AFRICOM. (Remember how Mali, Africa's third-largest gold producer, was invaded for "humanitarian reasons" just one week after Germany demanded their gold back from the NY FED and the Bank of France?).Indeed intervention in Nigeria was being discussed back in 2008...
http://www.nairaland.com/202214/why-foreign-military-intervention-may

All they needed was an issue to sell the American people on the idea of flinging their sons and daughters into yet another war for the bankers.

So, how convenient for the already existing plan to conquer Nigeria that this Boko Haram stages a massive kidnapping of 276 girls, then makes a video tape to brag about it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SD07MQqFLGM

The video tape helps sell the corporate media on running this story. I would also point out that the blurriness of the tape is a dead giveaway that this is a fraud...[We all know how sharp and clear videos taken with our cell phones are.] That the video is blurred is a precation against sharp-eyed skeptics seeing something that contradicts the official story being offered.

I mean, really. Look at all the sex trafficking going on in the world today and ask yourself how many of those other traffickers bothered to make a video bragging about what they do?
you make a video bragging about it?

This is another war-starting hoax, just like Saddam's nuclear weapons and Assad's gassing of the Alawites!

Mr. President, isn't your first job that of taking care of the American people?!? Forgive me, sir, but in this aspect of your administration, your record has been that of epic fail.

Your domestic policies have left this country deeper in debt, with more poverty than before you took office; and your foreign policies continue to bankrupt this country, morally and fiscally, with these pointless, endless wars, both covert and overt.

Your presidency has been a disaster for We the People; not so much, of course, for the large corporations, which funded both your election cycles; they are sitting pretty right now, and many have pocketed, and keep, large amounts of cash offshore so that they cannot be taxed on this.
http://www.blacklistednews.com/And_The_First_Thing_Ukraine_Will_Buy_With_IMF_Money_Is%E2%80%A6/35012/0/38/38/Y/M.html
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/motherofallscandals.php

You have earned the adoration of those corporations, which you protect vigorously, and the keen disappointment of most of the rest of us still capable of critical thinking..

http://www.blacklistednews.com/The_4_Deeper_Truths_about_Benghazi_and_Libya/35018/0/38/38/Y/M.html
http://intellihub.com/gee-ya-think-officials-now-say-flight-370-landed/
http://www.blacklistednews.com/FBI_agent_arrested_in_Pakistan_on_weapons_charge/35020/0/38/38/Y/M.html
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-05/latest-flight-mh-370-shocker-two-ton-cargo-mystery

http://rinf.com/alt-news/latest-news/washington-ukrainian-puppet-regime-prepare-new-fascist-slaughter-odessa/

http://intellihub.com/hate-laws-intended-to-silence-truth/

http://rt.com/usa/156968-obama-administration-syrian-rebels-assistance/
http://jaysanalysis.com/2014/05/04/jaysanalysis-called-it-imf-plan-to-loot-ukraine-revealed/

http://rinf.com/alt-news/latest-news/fbi-authorized-cyberattacks/
http://www.redressonline.com/2014/05/zionism-beyond-control/

http://www.blacklistednews.com/Five_US_Internet_Providers_Are_Slowing_Down_Access_Until_They_Get_More_Cash/35013/0/38/38/Y/M.html
http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/major-internet-firm-blames-isps-purposely-slowing-web-traffic/

http://rinf.com/alt-news/latest-news/oklahoma-earthquake-rate-breaking-records-fracking-blame/

http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/17-facts-show-anyone-believes-u-s-economy-just-fine/

more dim behaviour

World Heath Organization Declares Polio An International Emergency
http://investmentwatchblog.com/world-heath-organization-declares-polio-an-international-emergency/

RECALL THE SARS BIRd flue swine flue scares
whatever you DO/DONT GET A 'VACINATION'..[the only peOPLE WHO 'GET' THESE THINGS get it injected/aplied direct]..from the 'cure'
http://sedonadreams.com/?p=104

The Oldest Trick In the Book:
http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/white-house-desperate-bury-benghazi/

Empire Pretends It Has to Launch Wars to “Defend” Itself
http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-oldest-trick-in-the-book-empire-pretends-it-has-to-launch-wars-to-defend-itself/

Watching porn and falsifying documents
isn’t enough to get EPA employees fired
http://intellihub.com/watching-porn-and-falsifying-documents-isnt-enough-to-get-epa-employees-fired/

The Environmental Protection Agency has not been firing employees for watching pornography and falsifying federal documents, according to California Republican Rep. Darrell Issa

C.I.A. black-ops weapons supply facility exposed
By: NotForSale2NWO
http://intellihub.com/c-i-a-black-ops-weapons-supply-facility-exposed/

Nestled into the backdrop of Baxar County, is a previously secret C.I.A. weapons facility which has provided weapons and training crucial for use in modern false flag operations.

Senator Sanders to Fed Chair Yellen:
Is the U.S. an Oligarchy?
http://investmentwatchblog.com/senator-sanders-to-fed-chair-yellen-is-the-u-s-an-oligarchy/

The Economics Of Marriage
http://whatreallyhappened.com/
http://whatreallyhappened.com/podcasts/hourtitle2.m3u