platypus1900

reallly the police should be called to the permissive parents in abundance who are daft enough to ask why their kids can't say no to drugs. The dogmas of the left have created the breakdown of society and now have enough nerve to demonise those who act responsibly.

The essence of descipline is finding effective
alternatives to punishment. Discipline, like
surgery requires precision - no random cuts,
no rambling comments. Above all, a parent
demonstrates self-discipline and good manners -
no tantrums, no insults, no blistering language.

A parent never abdicates their moral authority.
Their discipline is never bizarre and their
corrections never sadistic. Caning is sadistic,
Hitting a 2 year old? - awful!

In disciplining a child a parent must not be motivated
by personal pique (I'm going to see to it personally,
even if it's the last thing I do, that you get what
you deserve." Punishment breeds brutality.
Discipline is not a matter of
fitting punishment to the crime and balancing the books.
It is the parent's generosity, not their accuracy, that
counts. The parent's authority comes from competent
exercise of persuasion. Their best weapons are a
cultured distaste for violence and a civilised disbelief
in punishment.

In the last analysis, who's a true disciplinarian?
A parent who can move children from terror to trust.

Misbehaviour and punishment are not opposites that cancel
each other. On the contrary, they breed and re-inforce
each other. Punishment does not deter misconduct.
As children get older they merely become more cautious
and more skilful in escaping detection. When a child is
punished they don't resolve to be more honest and
responsible. They resolve to be more careful.

Punishment is pointless. It fails to achieve its goal.
No child says to themself, while being punished,
"I'm going to improve. I'm going to be a better person -
more responsible, generous, and loving."
Children know that punishment is rarely administered for
their benefit, that it serves the needs of the punishing
adult. The fact is that those who rely on retribution
or physical force teach violence.

Some parents believe that children can be taught responsibility
by punishment. Ethical concepts such as responsiblity, respect,
loyalty, honesty, charity, mercy can't be taught directly.
They can only be learned in concrete life situations from
people one respects. One grows into virtue. One can't be
forced by punishment.

@csteele

thks for your comments

in life we choose who we talk to
who we discuss matter with

i choose not to discuss issues with you
this is the last response you get from me...ie you have been binned

others who disagree with me but are not vitriolic, i will continue to engage them

@Lexi
i hear your views
but you will allow me to disagree on how we should bring up our children?
it is not my intention to coerce you to 'discipline' your children like i do

i talked to my sax technician this afternoon
i talked to the mechanic who repaired my farm equipment this morning
i spoke to the mechanic when i collected my family car just an hour back
funny...they all spanked their children and they themselves were spanked (they all laughed and said they deserved those spanking)
i asked them if it is ok if i cane them
they all replied it is something they will not tell me, the parents (loving parents who are not drug abusers, drunkards or badly brought up adults or should i said oversized children) are the best to mete out discipline they see fit

looks like i am not in the minority?

you know...in australia, the minority pushes their agenda very strongly
the majority always stays silent

i will try my best to change this mindset
not to let the minority rule the day

have a good weekend

thks

Sometimes I wonder why I continue to inhabit this forum.....it's people like Lexi and csteele who keep me coming back.

Hitting a 2 year old? - awful!
Lexi,
Attempts to make discipline sound more like punishment is what has caused the disregard & even lack of respect we experience lately.
Instead of using the word 'hitting' & thereby implying excessive force you are already derailing the argument of discipline. Why not use the more appropriate word 'slapping" ?
A two year old comprehends the action of a slap & will behave. Whereas a two year old who has merely been told to behave will push the envelope. This is one of the most basic natural reactions. A two year old does understand, an academic child expert does not. Therein lies the difference.

individual,

Platypus didn't employ the word hitting or slapping in regard to his two year-old(s). He proudly told us he "caned" his young-uns - incuding those as young as two.

That's what we're on about.

A slap is a hit.

A caning is a whop or a whack.

What's with the semantics?