RObert one does not have to be an Einstein to be able to see an increase in antisocial behavior has followed the introduction of Dr. Spock's ideas on parenting, & grown apace since the bleeding heart brigade managed to extend this lack of discipline into schools. Just open your eyes mate, & you'll see the evidence everywhere.

Csteele it is equally valid to state that rather than an argument against corporal punishment, the Van Tuong Nguyen case is an example of immigration lowering the moral standard of the Australian population. Where oh where would a lefty be without spin?

How is it that children who aren't caned or beaten grow into responsible adults?
Poirot,
do you have any proof of that ? Of course there are people who are plain & simply nice just as there are people who are plain & simply a pain in the rear. It's the latter who need the cane.

individual,

I have as much proof for my statement as you have for yours.

Our kids aren't/weren't hit or threatened with a cane, and they are fine - as is the case with the children of friends and family.

You say:

".... just as there are people who are plain & simply a pain in the rear. It's the latter who need the cane."

And you'd apply that theory to two, three, four year-olds?

My theory is that it's those who are found wanting in the disciplinary stakes or who are enamoured by the idea of absolute authority who reach for the cane or the strap.

@robert

yes, it is a generalization on my part when i quoted the rampant vandalism and graffiti.
that is my belief and i really do not know if any academic paper had been done
somethings, i reckon are so obvious they need no formal research?
maybe some papers had already been done... we have plenty of psychologists in this country

funny how the opponents to punishment didnt respond to the case i quoted ...the lady who who taken away from her parents and was fostered out (thanks to good intention of parents who believes all young children can be reasoned with at age 2-12) and who finally died of over dose.
maybe the reasoning of "one case is one too many" should be applied here, where the interference of the State failed tragically

i also suspect parents like me are made to pay the price for parents who really abuse their children (one violent smack of a palm that sends the 6yo 7yo..12yo.. to the ground... see...no cane)

on gay marriage
i already said, it is a 5000 page discussion
we can discuss this in another thread

my fear is we will go down the slippery path of good intention
in the case of the shire threatening to remove the entire park facility (toilet and bbq pits) due to endless vandalism
are we going to settle to the lowest denominator ?
i also wonder who are these young children doing the vandalism...or who are these badly brought up young adults who cannot be reasoned with?

thank you for your comments and your disagreements
they are brought up in the most civil and cordial manner
that is the kind of discussion i appreciate
no mud slinging in the pit

have a blessed weekend

Hi platypus,

I wish you a good weekend too.

I'm curious about your penchant to note the civil and cordial responses.

"thank you for your comments and your disagreements
they are brought up in the most civil and cordial manner"

That's what I'm getting at. You appear to believe that resorting to the cane is a way of inducing civil and cordial behaviour.

But caning young human beings is not civil and cordial in itself.

Go figure......

@poirot

seriously, you cannot tell the difference between the 2?
one is about how grown up discuss
one is about a young child who needs to be guided and moulded

maybe you dont like the word 'moulded'...ok...use 'lead' or 'trained' instead

then again, maybe 'lead' invokes thoughts of being lead by a leash
and 'trained' sounds horribly animal-animal like (as in circus or sheep dog)

you see...it is endless

i suggested we have flogged this horse to death (oops i am savage...even my imageries are violent..hhh)

i will let you have the final say on this issue ok?
let us discuss another topic.

have a blessed weekend... i need to cook for my wife and grown up children and their spouses (all were punished in one way or other when they were young)...they are all coming over for dinner...no coercion..no threats...no caning...hhh again