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Posted by Josephus, Friday, 5 July 2013 11:10:54 AM
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Dear David F.,
I used to worry why Islamic fundamentalism intensified at all - especially at a time when we might expect the societies involved to be moving forward, toward modernisation, rather than backward, towards tradition. A friend of mine - a sociologist explained that fundamentalist revivials, in whatever religion, take place in times when social changes have led to turmoil, uncertainty, and the erosion of familiar values. When people find themselves confused, threatened, or even appalled at changing conditions. They may see a "return to basics" as a solution. It's not surprising, therefore, that Islamic fundamentalism has surged in societies like Iran, which have experienced wrenching social change as a result of their oil wealth. Some of these societies had previously remained culturally fairly static for generations - then in less than the space of a single life span, they were thrust into a world of airports, highways, schools, and television, factories and power plants. As part of of this process, some of the Islamic societies have been flooded with foreign advisers, officials, and entrepreneurs. In the view of the fundamentalists, foreigners, especially from the West, are often seen as a profoundly immoral and corrupting influence. The principal foreign enemy of the fundamentalists is the "Great Satan," the United States. I guess fundamentalists find it politically helpful to have an alien enemy. It enhances the solidarity of of any community, if it perceives a common out-side threat. Then of course there's also the conditions in their own countries. Most Muslims are desperately poor. Their nations' oil wealth has often been unequally shared, creating a new elite whose lifestyle arouses deep resentment in the populace. As you pointed out the 1979 Iranian revolution, in which the shah, a deeply unpopular ruler was perceived as an American puppet, was deposed through a movement led by Shiite Muslim clergy. I guess it is safe to say that Islamic fundamentalism, arises out of specific social and cultural conditions, and may then, in turn, influence the subsequent course of social change. What happens next, we'll have to wait and see. Posted by Lexi, Friday, 5 July 2013 11:14:41 AM
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My view is there was no organized opposition party in Egypt prior to the people's revolution as all opposition was brutally crushed. In the election in the power vacuum that followed, only the Muslim Brotherhood was organized and effective in campaigning and won a ruling majority accordingly. Its religious based excesses in power and its ineffectiveness over the economy has lead to the mass protests and subsequent military intervention.
The next election, soon I hope, will not see the Brotherhood gaining anything like the 51% of votes it won last time but it may well form a coalition in which its behaviour is moderated by its partners. The economy is a hard matter for whoever wins power. Posted by Luciferase, Friday, 5 July 2013 11:16:05 AM
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Josephus,
Your version of the Judeo-Christian view seems to have failed this guy. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa But it was never about "ending tyranny". It was about sticking their bib into another country to gain major influence over resources. Posted by Poirot, Friday, 5 July 2013 11:36:42 AM
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Dear Josephus,
Every time I read your posts I am reminded of the Elders of Zion slander against the Jewish people. It is difficult to come to any conclusion other than you are engaged in a similar style of demagoguery of the people who follow Islam. Just look at some of your sound bites; “blatent(sic) Islamic lies”...”Democracy is not understood by Islam”...”It is Western democratic freedoms which America has; that is the conflict.”...”Islam will seek to implement this agenda in all democratic countries as Muslim populations increase.”...”the principle that "Might has the right to rule", is indemic(sic) in the Arab mind”...”Western minds are guided by a moral law, Arab minds by a sense of shame.”...”take women as sex slaves and place special taxes on non muslims”. These are not applicable to the vast majority of the Muslim population of the world nor are they applicable to the vast majority of the Arab population. There is a recognition that support of despotic regimes in the Middle East by the world's superpowers for the purpose of obtaining a secure supply of un-naturalised oil has been a feature of that part of the world for the last 100 years. The Arab spring uprisings have revealed just how much the populations of these countries want the freedoms of democracies. You however are set on slandering those efforts. Why? What is your agenda? Whose interests are you looking to protect? Posted by csteele, Friday, 5 July 2013 12:39:02 PM
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Some truths are not finding air here.
Pre-America being a world power, Imperialism saw many miss use other country,s. Not all of those are as dysfunctional as the middle east is right now. IF America and the west is to blame, why is say the Philippines not falling apart. What role is America playing that make Muslim hate Muslim and deaths come as a result. I have fun! in watching the anti west contributors commit the very crime they charge us with. Blind Bias. Many things have lead to this is there ever a chance Democracy is not the way to bring harmony. Should we have left Iraq to kill its minority's with poison gas? Did we do wrong in helping Libya stop being murdered. The religion is the reason some kill others. And too it is used to target in their Gods name others at the place of worship, today is death day. Day prayers are held and the deaths take place. Posted by Belly, Friday, 5 July 2013 1:20:54 PM
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Western minds influenced by the Judeau-Christian view that all persons are equal and to be valued is not understood by the Islamic world. Western minds are guided by a moral law, Arab minds by a sense of shame.