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Arab Winter

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Dear SPQR,

...alleges...a source...presumptuous...confirmation bias...hanging judge...pathological self critiquing?

Lol.

If you have got nothing mate just say it. You admit you have been going through my references yet the best you can do is more platitudes? Come on, there must be something you can challenge me with.

Now you are even questioning the existence of Salvadorian groups. Whew!

Here is the Report of the UN Truth Commission on El Salvador.
http://www.derechos.org/nizkor/salvador/informes/truth.html

if you are not inclined to read it here is a summary of their conclusions from the United States Peace;

Conclusions
Among over 22,000 complaints documented, 60% involved extrajudicial killings, 25% involved disappearances, 20% involved torture, and some alleging more than one form of violence.
Based on collected testimony the commission attributed 85% of the acts of violence to State agents, which took place predominantly in rural areas. Approximately 5% of the acts of violence were attributed to the FMLN.
The report named individual actors allegedly responsible for human rights violations.
http://www.usip.org/publications/truth-commission-el-salvador

Note only 5% of the acts of violence were attributable to the insurgency. Perhaps an investigation may well find similar figures for Iraq.

I suppose the question becomes would you support a UN Truth Commission investigation into the Iraqi extra-judicial killings or do you really think there is no case to answer?

Dear divergence,

Thank you, but they are not my death squads.

You asked;

“What about similar waves of killing elsewhere, such as killings of Coptic Christians in Egypt, the civil war in the former Yugoslavia, the Rwandan genocide, and Republicans vs. Unionists in Northern Ireland? Is the US responsible for the atrocities in these conflicts as well?”

No I don't and at least in some of these the US acted attempted to mitigate some of the killing that took place. However in Iraq I think there is pretty solid evidence that elements within the US administration had their hands deep in formation and oversight of these death squads. Therefore I should also ask you, would you support a UN Truth Commission investigation into the Iraqi extra-judicial killings?
Posted by csteele, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 3:06:42 PM
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No problem, Csteele. As I have already written. I consider the invasion of Iraq a war crime. Even if it had been justified, the whole thing was grossly mismanaged.
Posted by Divergence, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 4:17:17 PM
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Dear CSteele,

The <<the UN Truth Commission>> LOL

Isn't that the forerunner to 1984's the <<Ministry of Truth>>?

Sorry Mr CSteele, the court has ruled that any body, which saw fit to have (pre-revolution)Libya and Mugabe ruled Zimbabwe in its various rights commissions is an unreliable witness, and therefore its testimony is inadmissible.

Next witness please?
Posted by SPQR, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 4:35:20 PM
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Dear SPQR,

You really are stumped aren't you.

So the moon is made from cheese, Elvis is alive, and there were no death squads operation in El Salvador during the eighties.

Okay.

I think you are on an orbit that makes constructive communication rather difficult. If you ever attempt re-entry let us know, otherwise be careful out there, you might drown.

Dear Divergence,

Mismanagement I could probably wear. Death squads torturing and killing I can't. Those involved are war criminals and should be brought to justice.
Posted by csteele, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 5:20:30 PM
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Yesterday the UN said it thinks 5.000 are killed every day in Syria's war within.
Having an inquiring mind I will watch to see how csteele puts the blame on the USA.
Muslim killing Muslim , a war that has a thousand year history?
I am unable to link evil west to such acts.
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 18 July 2013 6:33:42 AM
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