Belly,
Obviously csteele is a danger to democracy and social unity in the West. In the Middle East he would rise as a leader and dictator. That is where he would serve this world to his full capacity.

Belly,

"csteele holds extremist views..."

That's a fairly grotty comment.

So it's extremist to point out where the US and it's allies indulge in torture and murder?

It was people with a conscience like csteele's who revealed the terrible goings on at Abu Ghraib prison.

Have a gander at these pictures http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse

If it was left up to the likes of you and Josephus, things like this would be swept under the carpet.

The Islamic world is not blameless and has major faults, but to assume that the West is nothing but sweetness and light is downright ignorant.

Poirot I have great respect for you, Suseonline and Lexi.
Yes I know my reputation is some times in rags.
Because being liked has no bearing on my views.
I say what I think.
So too does csteele.
We are forever opposed, and I am insulted as much as I insult in that relationship.
I could be very hostile in replying to your post.
But it would be a waste.
*I will never hide my true view*
And you have seen my true thoughts about csteele.
A day will come that sees me go, I am sure I can not forever wade in this pool.
But as my post above said, and this is going to impact on the election.
*Trying to put minority views down others throats , with both feet, *never works*
Abbott has forggoten his task.
He need not sell to his side, and should not turn his back on the rest of us.
*It is my view *the views expressed by csteele here insult my class my country and that remains my view*
The left came in to existence at the hands of brave men and women, sometimes the women lead.
To counter dreadful acts.
It failed and became the oppressor.
Todays fragmented left has lost its way once they would see the murders and death the enslavement of whole country,s by a non-existent God.
They pursue the west with endless and mindless rants and all ears are closed to them, not mine however.

@ Poirot & Co,

<<to assume that the West is nothing but sweetness and light is downright ignorant>>

Gee you speak a lot of guff, Poirot. An absolute master of misrepresentation. Trying position yourself as a voice of moderation!(LOL)

When has anyone on the forum presented the West as <<nothing but sweetness and light>>?

And when have YOU ever expanded on this throw away line <<The Islamic world is not blameless and has major fault>>? (care to give us a few links, ay?)

And this was a good call Belly: <<steele holds extremist views...>>
Belly you have a rare nack of being able to see through bullsh!t.

Dear SPQR,

Lol.

That's possibly the quickest you have ever reverted to name calling which usually signals you have given up the fight. Between you Josephus and Belly you have really only provided “generalizations, truisms and platitudes“. Are you sure you don't moonlight for the Russian secret Service?

You usually give a decent account of yourself. Yet you haven't disputed a single fact I have posted, although you did accuse me along with Poirot of “knowing as I do that you both glean most of your info from lefty sites”.

I'm not sure Fox News or the New York Times qualify although the Guardian could be classed as liberal.

Is it because there is very little to dispute? Possibly.

So I'm assuming you accept Rumsfeld made the decision to use the 'El Salvador option'. Do you believe that constituted a war crime? I do, even if in your view opposition to death squads is extremist.

Neither you, Belly or Josephus have offered the slightest condemnation of those actions. Is it because you all support them?

“The simple truth is this: During my first deployment, I was made to participate in things, the enormity of which is hard to describe. War crimes, crimes against humanity.”

Ultimately decency forced this man to recognise the enormity of what he was involved in and to recognise it for what it was, evil.

Why is it that you three seem incapable of the same?

SPQR you from the immovable right.
Me from the only true left Labors middle path.
Agree!
We will not be surprised, both of us know *most think like us*
You will differ with me here, but wasted leftist efforts more often than not, if they harm any one it is my side of the house.
They insist, on pushing prams without wheels.
On ignoring the truth, in this case if America did not exist they would make it up,to have something to hate.
And ignoring the fact we would face death and worse if we lived in the middle east.
A very wise man/woman said these words, they could be about America and its western friends.
If Arabs lay down their guns there will be no war.
If Israel does there will be no Israel.