SPQR you are once more trying to introduce csteele to the facts.
You if you require debate must blind your self to one side of the augment.
As csteele does so well.

In Middle Eastern minds the tribal chief is the absolute leader and provider for the tribe. This thinking goes back 5,000 + years. For an outside power to break up the tribe means a power vacccum with struggles to regain tribal leadership / dominance. It resembles much of the Shakespearian history of ancient societies. Middle Eastern Islam lives in the ancient past incapable of moving out of its tribal view of culture. For them it is secure and familiar.

In the Western world people see themselves as individuals even hardly attached to the culture of their parents, every generation creates its own vision, music and image. Islam sees this as the destruction of a culture based on the law of Allah by which all must live. By what Wastern minds are being fed as entertainment today, there is much I would have to agree it is the destruction of a cohesive healthy society.

Josephus have you considered the impact of the Islamic faith on the middle easts troubles?
Daily news from the African continent tells of murders too.
In fact while Saudi Arabia keeps the pot boiling in the ME other places too have great troubles.
By the way, Saudi,s seem to go unnoticed yet fund much of the hate in that part of the world.

Well OK but we will revisit this theme.
It is a problem that will not go away.
And one that will have far greater effect on the whole world than some think.
Egypt is todays center tomorrow what country?
How in what became a country thought to be stable did Egypt both see its spring turn to winter, and a Democratic government become, or start to, a dreadful parody of the word?

Dear Belly,

I have been great pains to furnish verifiable facts in every post I have made here. You have given none. I'm not sure you would actually know what a fact was if you tripped over it in broad daylight.
Here is another fact for you.

Daniel Somers was a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. He was part of Task Force Lightning, an intelligence unit. In 2004-2005, he was mainly assigned to a Tactical Human-Intelligence Team (THT) in Baghdad, Iraq. A month ago he took his own life. This is part of the letter he left his loved ones.

“You must not blame yourself. The simple truth is this: During my first deployment, I was made to participate in things, the enormity of which is hard to describe. War crimes, crimes against humanity. Though I did not participate willingly, and made what I thought was my best effort to stop these events, there are some things that a person simply can not come back from. I take some pride in that, actually, as to move on in life after being part of such a thing would be the mark of a sociopath in my mind. These things go far beyond what most are even aware of. To force me to do these things and then participate in the ensuing coverup is more than any government has the right to demand.”
http://gawker.com/i-am-sorry-that-it-has-come-to-this-a-soldiers-last-534538357

So Belly are you happy Rumsfeld took the 'El Salvador Option'? You have been an unfailing supporter of the operations of the Western powers in Iraq and Afghanistan. You have applauded drone strikes and targeted killings and proudly announced you would support more extreme measures. Well you got them. Row upon row of handcuffed, grotesquely tortured bodies. And now the life of Daniel Somers. This was done in your name, to let you sleep easier at night.

Do you?

Dear Josephus,

More Elders of Zion type tripe? I know the likes of Belly provide a receptive audience but it is wearing a bit thin.

csteele,
Please explain what the Elders of Zion believe. Please explain why you believe such a statement is tripe