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Will Climate change impact on the election.
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Posted by Belly, Monday, 1 April 2013 3:15:48 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,
Talking about questions... Here's a few for you - found on the web and posted by someone looking for answers. I thought it appropriate to put them to you because of all the accusations you've been making about the carbon "tax.": 1) You keep pointing out how much the carbon pricing scheme will cost but you don't say how much it will raise. You also neglected to tell us that it converts to an ETS in 2015. 2) You talk about the inefficiency of the government regarding this issue but forgot to mention the inefficient national electricity grid which all governments including the Howard government neglected. 3) You don't make allowances for rising electricity costs due to transmission maintenance and improvement (like poles and wires). 4) Can you tell us what is the carbon tax element in our electricity bills? 5) Is it less than the percentage increase levied by our states? 6) How much it is going to cost if we do nothing? 7) How much will emissions grow without any action? Posted by Lexi, Monday, 1 April 2013 5:06:25 PM
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Lexi,
To answer your questions: 1 - What the tax raises is a lot less than the compensation paid out. Repealing the tax and compensation will improve the budget. As a tax on production inputs it is particularly damaging. Actually I did discuss the conversion to a partial ETS in 2015, you obviously didn't read it. 2 - What grid inefficiency? Did you power losses or something else?. I did discuss that networks are upgrading their supply systems to meet gold plated new standards imposed by the government. 3 - Actually I did, but as the topic was on the carbon tax I focused on the tax. 4 - Yes I can and I did, read my posts. 5 - Fuzzy question, you need to be more specific. Are you talking tax or RETs? Read this. http://www.bigpondmoney.com.au/why-power-bills-are-rising 6 - Nothing 7 - Emissions typically grow with economic growth at a slightly lower rate Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 2:15:57 AM
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Shadow Minister, but it could be most of us, proves any change in thoughts on this matter ,will come from others.
Every election has its swingers/undecided voters. And it is those voters, along with a few who are willing to change views who may impaction on this election. Not claiming to be an Anthony Green but just maybe we need to look at that group. We too, should not think the dysfunctional group known as the ALP ,will not learn to sell its message before the axe falls. That message cannot turn Gillard from a frog to Cinderella, but it could focus on Abbotts plan, in detail, it could, unlike Shadow Minister address the method, and targeted reduction. It seems from here, many even posters here, do not understand Abbotts target, and it is my view, few want to. Few too want to consider the method,so strange it looks like a Gillard policy, or Greens,and is unworkable in my view. Again take no action is not the policy of any side. Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 6:56:12 AM
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Quote Shadow
"Considering that actual energy costs to consumers was originally about 12% of the total cost the 10% is huge. For larger consumers for whom infrastructure costs are a smaller proportion, costs have increased between 15% and 50%. Hence the closure of several heavy industries." End quote I don't understand what you are trying to say above, but the reason a number of heavy industries in this country have closed has far more to do with the high Aussie dollar, high wages for skilled workers and shortages of skilled people. These issues have all been exacerbated by the mining boom. Shadow I can give you one piece of good advice politicians should never believe their own spin doctors. Posted by warmair, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 7:43:39 AM
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Shadow Minister,
Before I leave this thread (because I don't see the point in continuing). Here are three more websites for you. You had asked earlier about carbon globally: 1) http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/editorial/australia-needs-the-carbon-tax-20120629-21867.html 2) http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2012/8/23/interest-rates/carbon-tax-groundhog-day 3)http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1492651/Factbox-Carbon-taxes-around-the-world See you on another thread. This one for me has now run its course. Posted by Lexi, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 10:01:55 AM
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Not needed by a conservative bound to think more like a southern American Tea Party member.
Tell you what, give me your view on Abbott,s target and the method he intends to use to get it.
Then a quick look at the over all costs his method has, and who pays for it.
I hazard a guess you will not try the task may be too informative for you.
But this I think is true, anti global warming folk, such as you, are over represented here when national polls are considedred.
And, with little doubt, if Abbott took your line, publicly pre election my impacts would be assured.
No party, with any chance of winning, is taking a take no action plan to this election.