Fair enough, Geoffrey - we had a nice gathering here too : )

Seem,s we represent many of the views held on this issue.
I liked the description of that fool Mockdon, and the comparison, maybe not meant that way to the other infamous denier.
Yet we have,from first post, found it hard to separate our opinions from the question the thread asks.
And that question has every chance of becoming more important as we near the election.
I see fixed minds, silly but not unexpected uttering,s about Socialist left, a sign those posters never owned an open mind, and that weakens any opinion they have.
Remember, Abbott has a plan,why not consider it?
It will not work.
It rewards polluters.
It sees us pay them rewarded.
IF Abbott changed,aid again it is crap. my question would be answered.
How,please tell me, can deniers trash Labors tax but ignore, seemingly not even understand, Abbott,s method to get the same reduction.
In truth avoiding talking about Abbott,s plan is defense, see it is truly silly, maybe its uncovering will be the impact 14/9 or more likely before

Dear Belly,

Here's an interesting article that's worth a read:

http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/01/24/will-abbotts-axe-really-kill-carbon-trading-in-australia/?wpmp_switcher=mobile

See you on another thread.

Belly and Lexi,

Perhaps you could enlighten us as to the % drop in GHG emissions that Australia's carbon tax will make. I guess you won't as zero is pretty embarrassing.

As for Labor's costed policies, how is the budget surplus in 2012/13 going?

"Gillard will seek to paint herself as the hero of education. Again, realistically, she just cannot deliver. She has neither the money nor the likelihood of having the power. I think the electorate will be very unforgiving of a Prime Minister who appears to think she can fool most of the people most of the time.

As the budget approaches, voters will no doubt recall the promises last year of, finally, producing a surplus. Various financial houses are predicting a deficit of $10 billion, $15 billion or even $20 billion.

It's a confusing message from an apparently confused government. We are told the economy is in great shape. That leaves many voters wondering why we can't balance the books. Every voter and every family understands that every now and then money has to be borrowed. What they don't understand is why this government keeps borrowing and borrowing and spending and spending.

From Treasurer Wayne Swan there will be the same tired excuses. He might suggest commodity prices have fallen and appear oblivious to the fact everyone else has understood from day one the reality of commodity price fluctuations. It is as if the Treasurer expects us to believe that price fluctuations, unexpected natural disasters and all the other variables that might affect the budget are somehow new-found difficulties that he is managing masterfully."

Dear Shadow Minister,

Try the following websites:

1) http://www.climate-policy-watcher.org/?q=node/462

And:

2) http://www.climatechange.gov.au/climate-change/emissions.aspx

If you need more information you can always contact the
various agencies and they will provide you with all the
necessary fact sheets to bring you up to date.

As far as the Treasurer and the May budget is concerned -
let's wait and see what the outcome will be. Afterall it's
not long to wait now. And who knows, after the May budget
perhaps we shall hear from the Coalition and how they
will pay for things?

Lexi instead of reading the propaganda sheets, do read what is happening in Europe.

Those not already bankrupted by climate policy, [remember when Spain was the warmists poster boy], are running like hell to get away from their former stupidity. Unfortunately many are now too broken to run.

Oh that doesn't include the UK politicians. The UK public want out, but like Obama, their pollys have too many debts to repay to their election backers.

Payola reigns supreme.