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Will Climate change impact on the election.

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Belly,
Although you originally asked what effect AGW would have on the election (answer - nil because people aren't concerned about it any more), it seems what you really wanted to ask is, if people started comparing Abbott's and JG's plans, would it change their vote.

Answer - no. Firstly because, even if they found Abbott's policy to be faulty, they are much more concerned about other issues. Second, I think most people know that Abbott's policy is not going to be implemented. Its very design allows the government to increase or decrease funding at will, unlike the ALP's tax. When Abbott wins, he'll simply say that (1)there's no money to pay for the scheme and (2) since the rest of the world isn't doing anything, we should wait.

SM asks: "...enlighten us as to the % drop in GHG emissions that Australia's carbon tax will make."

1. In Australia we will be told it reduced emissions by 5%. Whether that's true no one will ever know because the calculations are so much guess work that you can come up with any answer you want.
2. In the world we are responsible for around 1.5% of emissions. So worldwide the CO2 tax will reduce emissions by 5% of 1.5% ie 0.075%.
This translates to a decrease of temps in the year 2100 of about 0.002 degrees centigrade. I'm sure your great grandkids will be grateful for the sacrifice.
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 1 April 2013 11:49:44 AM
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Lexi,

I was asking about global emissions not just Aus. There has been no global drop in emissions, in fact quite the contrary.

The emissions drop figures for the last half of 2012 is due to a number of factors,

These figures were compiled by Greg Combet's office, known for being economical with the truth,

The electricity consumption has been dropping steadily since 2008 (a prime marker of the non mining sector economy) The Aluminium smelters closing is a prime example of the cost of the carbon tax with CO2 emissions moving overseas. (a net increase in emissions)

The start of the carbon tax would give industries cause to reevaluate their reporting standards (less CO2 reported = less tax)
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 1 April 2013 12:16:31 PM
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Dear Hasbeen,

I really don't have much more to add on this subject.

Friends of ours who have recently visited Los Angeles
have told us how as a result of auto-emission controls
have reduced the amount of carbon monoxide in the air
by quite a great deal. This is just one small step.
However it apparently has made a difference to the quality
of air in Los Angeles.

I've briefly Googled what Europe is doing - and
the following website may be of some interest to you:

http://ec.europa.eu/clima/policies/brief/eu/index_en.htm
Posted by Lexi, Monday, 1 April 2013 12:28:28 PM
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Dear Shadow Miister,

The following website may explain things to you:

http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/index.cfm/go/news.display/id/24712
Posted by Lexi, Monday, 1 April 2013 12:41:13 PM
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According to the libs current plan
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3. We will help families get ahead by freeing them from the burdens of the carbon tax-to protect Australian jobs and reduce cost-of-living pressures, especially rising electricity and gas prices.
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How is this supposed to work? The various supplements and tax breaks, currently mean that the majority of families are ahead or have broken out even under the current carbon tax, but should the tax be removed, logically that includes the rebates and supplements, and therefore the majority of Aussie families would be behind. I know I would.

https://www.cleanenergyfuture.gov.au/helping-households/household-assistance-estimator/

Note average single weekly earnings are around $55,000 per annum. couples $80,000 ?

The real problem with high electricity prices have hardly anything to do with the carbon tax, and has been caused by the supply companies and the costs of maintaining their infrastructure.

Shadow is right the libs current policy on greenhouse emissions is pure tokenism, whereas the direct action plan that the libs went to the last election with at least had some positive aspects to it.
Posted by warmair, Monday, 1 April 2013 1:03:38 PM
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Warmair,

You are right, the Labor policy is expensive tokenism. And while a large portion of Household electricity costs are due to changes in government regulatory requirements forcing suppliers to gold plate infrastructure, the carbon tax has added a significant portion on top of this.

Considering that actual energy costs to consumers was originally about 12% of the total cost the 10% is huge. For larger consumers for whom infrastructure costs are a smaller proportion, costs have increased between 15% and 50%. Hence the closure of several heavy industries.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 1 April 2013 3:04:42 PM
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