Geoffrey,

Being that you are a dentist and that you aren't a climate scientist explains your little aside on cold winters in the northern hemisphere.

http://rabett.blogspot.com.au/2013/03/melting-ice-and-cold-weather.html

(a little bit on the subject for your perusal - he's not a dentist, but he may be able to shed some light on anomalies in that region:)

Btw, your quote "from the Galileo Movement" is actually from Fraser Nelson, the editor of The Spectator (I note you who are so fanatical about sources, didn't bother to go to the original source)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/elderhealth/9959856/Its-the-cold-not-global-warming-that-we-should-be-worried-about.html

But your admiration of the clown Christopher Monckton sums up well where you are on climate change. So he was adviser to Margaret Thatcher - next you'll tell me he is an esteemed expert reviewer for AR5 as if it's a distinguished appointment and not something anyone can sign up for...but I do like the insignia that he uses as a header for his blather - http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/05/05/monckton-caught-making-things/ - it looks so much like the one that represents those who really do have the right to sit in the House of Lords (comic relief:) http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/07/14/condensed-monckton/

Finally, I hear you squeaking about being referred to as a denier or a "skeptic"...but I note that you are quite happy to bandy about the term "alarmist". Those who tend to trust climate scientists on climate science are also referred to as warmists and climate extremists, etc...so it's pretty well even on that score.

Dear, Dear Poirot,

Take a grip.

I have never claimed to be a Climate Scientist. Neither have you.

Have you ever claimed to be anything?

You defend the ALP and the socialist movements and the darlings of the socialist left, so when I try to get a handle on your persona I classify you as a Labor supporter. You are perfectly satisfied to define me as a rabid right-winger, and for once I agree with you :-)

Perhaps you mighty define a climate scientist? I cannot be done.

If you are stuck, try brushing up on Prof. Bob Carter’s comments. It is like trying to define a ‘Health Specialist”. Are we talking about a haematologist, a forensic medical specialist or a paediatrician?

I have claimed to have been trained as a scientist. I have B.Sc double major, and one of those majors was in environmental physiology. Why you seem to hone into the fact I am a dentist is beyond me, but at least I practise an applied science. I would be far more impressed if you understood what I am saying, but it is obviously way beyond you. It was called COMPREHENSION when I was a t school.

And, once more for the record, I do trust climate scientists; just not the ones you trust!

I quoted The Galileo Movement to you to wind you up. If you had bothered to check my reference you would have found that the Galileo Movement was reporting the exact reference you mention, the Fraser Nelson article! So, in future cross your ‘t’s’ and dot your ‘i’s’ and check your references! Take your time before going in for the kill and try and get it right. That way you don’t leave yourself wide open to ridicule.

Geoffrey Kelley

Warmair,

"China is taking some serious steps to reduce its emissions as proportion of GDP, and are on track to reduce this figure by a significant amount. They are also in the process of introducing a carbon trading scheme, which is to be fully operational by 2018.
The USA has reduced its emissions by around 19% recently and the situation in Europe is quite encouraging"

This is another of those fudges so beloved of 'consensus'. Sure China is reducing its emission/GDP ratio. But then so is every other industrial or advanced economy. As economies become more efficent and/or move to more service based activities, the ratio falls. For example, in Aust our emission/GDP ratio has halved since 1993. The US is even better. China isn't "taking some serious steps", its just allowing the natural coarse of events to occur. But the warmists, so keen to find something to suggest Australia isn't alone in its economically suicidal tax, come up with these totally bogus numbers.
And yes, China is talking about a CO2 tax...at the equivilent of $1.00 /tonne!!

The US has reduced its emissions without a CO2 tax. How? About half the reduction is due to the recession. The other half is due to the conversion to gas following the fracking revolution.

But, true to form, the left is opposed to fracking even though it is a proven way to reduce emissions.

Its all smoke and mirrors. Irrelevant numbers, picked to argue a case. It just proves how weak the case is.

Geoffrey,

Sorry about that. It was just that you seemed uncommonly fussy about sources, so I thought you might care to go to the original source.

You say:..."You defend the ALP and the socialist movements and the darlings of the socialist left..."

I think you'll find that in spite of the fact that I'm a lefty, I've been reasonably critical of Labor under Gillard (and I note you are the one who's politicising the debate again)

Sorry mate, you tell me you admire Christopher Monckton and then tell me you admire climate scientists. I can't take the "Lord" seriously at all. He's a publicity seeking personality with a degree in classical architecture. He's not an atmospheric physicist or an oceanographer or a glaciologist. He's an unremarkable peer with a penchant for creative "science", conspiracy theory and the courting of gullible "skeptics"...he's a bit of a giggle, but he ain't a scientist.

"...don't leave yourself wide open to ridicule."

On the contrary, I wear ridicule from deniers as a badge of honour.

Christopher Monckton is just another crackpot who thinks being in public denial will bring him prestige.

Remember that Brit who went around pretending to be an historian and telling everyone that the Holocaust never happened.

People who have the training and knowledge just ignore these crackpots and get on with their job.

Dear Poirot,

It has been a long and good day. I have enjoyed Easter Sunday surrounded by my entire immediate family consisting of my wife, three children, two children-in-law, seven grandchildren and six dogs and piles of Easter Eggs!

We have enjoyed some superb wines, red and white, so I am at peace with the world.

I am about to toddle off to bed, so let us part, agreeing to disagree.

Thank you for the stimulating arguments. The status quo is preserved and we can sleep a good sleep to wake refreshed to fight another day :-)

Good night,

Geoffrey Kelley