Philip S.,

Loved acting when I was a child. Learned quite long passages by heart, and was taught the appropriate gestures and tonal inflection to use.

Have to believe the 8 year old was put through the same process.

Belly and I are often at odds regarding politics but on this issue I would not be at all surprized if what belly says comes to pass. All muslims excluded from immigrating here. I do not think it has reached that stage YET, but could come sooner that we think, even war between the west and most muslim countries.

This is not fear mongering or prejudice, but an awareness of what is happening both here and in other countries.

There has been over 20,000 documented terrorist attacks since 9-11-2001, all by muslims, and when you look at what is happening in Europe and the UK,it does not look good for the future. Western governments are still following the appeasment line.

Closer to here, Islamic terrorists operate in the Phillipines and Asia. As recently as 1965 muslims killed up to 3 million people in Indonesia. Their hate for infidels was made fairly plain here last September. The call for beheadings is hardly peace loving.

It seems that those argueing against bellys opinion are not aware of world happenings or simply choose to ignor it.

A former president of Nigeria predicted muslim conquest of Europe, by Muslim sons. He said the wombs of our women will give us victory.

http://www.islamdaily.org/en/islam/5855.why-the-muslim-and-western-cultures-will-continue-.htm
This link is worth thought.
No right wing Fascist wrote this,a learned Muslim did.
SOME of the faults found with the western world, can not be denied, they exist, freedom lets folks do such things.
My wobbling, as described in other threads and here, to join Labors very left, or even other left.
Has gone, FOREVER, look at the just plain silly leftist posts.
So remote from truly caring, about the victims of Islam.
Poor Paul, not a bad bloke, but maybe driven by other than the total lack of understanding shown in his posts here.
Muslim Migrating to the west, Mostly do not work, mostly even third generations live on Social Security.
UNSUSTAINABLE! true Socialists know, that form of income is under threat,at times rightly so.
As greedy approach numbers of the true needy.
And whole country,s suffer because of over generous payment to the wrong people.
This is true, Abbott.s replacement will cut ALL WELFARE, needy will suffer.
IF having read the link, from the other side, you will see in many cases both sides agree, it is difficult if not imposable for us to liv together.
Multi Cultures or is the aim Multi racial in my country?

SonofGloin,

I agree with you that critical mass is the crux of the argument.

I honestly cannot see how they can integrate with what they regard as a society with no morals. The fact that we drink, smoke, do not dress [in their minds] modestly, and treat our women as [almost?] equals is an affront against all the aspects of their religion, and a mindset they will retain. How then can we ever expect them to integrate? Are we Westerners wrong to expect that of them? We hold that we aren't, and they hold that we are. Dissenting views = conflict, with both sides claiming the high ground.

Another cause of conflict is the language barrier, which inadvertently can lead to misunderstanding on both sides. An example of this is humourous, but serves to illustrate the point.
We lived in Spain for a while. In an attempt to integrate we studied hard to learn Spanish. My partner had a small problem when ordering breakfast, and constantly would order jamon [ham] and jueves [thursday] because the word sounded like huevos [eggs].

Have read quite a few research papers regarding world population, and many of them predict the inevibility that Muslims will account for at least 45% of the total world population by 2030.

These are only projections, and we know that these aren't always
proven correct. But how can either side present their argument without the use of a common language?

Dear Belly,

You are at it again.

You wrote of your link; “No right wing Fascist wrote this,a learned Muslim did.”

Did you even read it? Here is a quote from it.

Start..

D’Souza blames all of the differences and the basis of the Muslim hatred of American culture totally on America’s cultural left wing. In a quote from his book, D’Souza says: “I intend to show that the left has actively fostered the intense hatred of America that has led to numerous attacks such as 9/11. If I am right, then no war against terrorism can be effectively fought using the left-wing premises that are now accepted doctrine among mainstream liberals and Democrats.”

..End

Yup sounds like the last thing a right wing fascist would ever say.

A Democrat President is pursuing drone signature strikes, indefinate detention, and torture and these are suppose to be left-wing premises? Where do you think he would be on the political spectrum then Belly?

How about you ditch the overseas links for a bit?

And did I hear you mutter something about free speech a couple of post ago? So you think me replying to your offerings somehow curtails your free speech? What you really mean is that you want your speech free from rebuttals such as mine. Well not in My Country thankfully. No one is denying you the right to express your opinion, just don't sook up when I exercise my right of reply.

This is my problem. You started this thread with a link to a story about a directive against wishing others a merry Christmas. When the Muslim community and its leaders responded to the issue by firmly stating this was not coming from the wider Muslim community and by sky writing a Christmas salutation above the Lukemba Mosque you gave them no credit but instead ratcheted up the rhetoric. Here was a great example of them reacting in a positive way to accommodate an Australian tradition yet you have not let up.

As to the idiotic claim that those normal Australians who don't think like you do ultimately do not care about the victims of female genital mutilation, just think about it for a second. I would say that a family who has migrated from an area where this odious procedure is rife is quickly disavowed of the practice once they are in Australia. While in some families it may survive a generation it is unlikely to continue into the second. If one had the ability to compare the rates of FGM in a thousand families who remained in these areas compared to a thousand second generation families of migrants who are living in Australia it is a no-brainer that the rates would be vastly different.

So if you were truly concerned about FGM of young girls then you would be championing their migration to Australia where they will be afforded far more protection by our laws, our culture, our health system, our schools and our society in general.

But you will not do so because you and others are far more interested in demonising Muslims immigrants by tarring them with the same FGM brush than caring about what happens to these young girls.

You might feel it's a little unfair that I am seemingly picking on you and not others on the thread, some of whom are probably worse on this issue, and you would be within your rights to do so. But it is your thread and you have fanned it. With ownership comes responsibilities my friend.

What's next?