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As a member of The Greens I have a number of Muslim friends within the party and I also have Muslim friends outside the party, as well as Muslim neighbors. We Greens spend time engaging with members of various migrant communities, many of which are Muslim. I have even met a couple of Anglo women who have converted to Islam and married Muslim men, I see nothing wrong with that as my own grandmother converted from C of E to Catholicisms to marry.
There must be something wrong with the Muslims I known or meet, none want war, none are intolerant of others. One of my Muslim friends was shocked just recently when he asked me how long since I had been in a Church, there is a Muslim thinking I should go to the Christian church. The issues Muslim's bring up are also strange for our society, jobs, housing, education, health, transport etc. They all came to Australia for the oddest of reasons, many came for the absurd reason of wanting a better life for their family.
I am not saying all is a bed of roses in the Muslim community in Australia, far from it, there are lots of problems and they are well documented. However give credit to the many within that very same community who are working hard to help overcome those problems.
Something to ponder: When Phillip arrived in Australia Aboriginals were 100% of the population and 0% of the prison population. today Aboriginals are 2.5% of the population and 28% of the prison population. Bad people them Aboriginals! Lucky for them Phillip arrived in time to bring them the virtues of christian salvation. Do you think we can do that for the Muslims as well.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 27 December 2012 11:01:07 AM
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http://freethoughtnation.com/contributing-writers/63-acharya-s/730-canadian-muslim-professor-to-government-no-more-muslim-immigration.html
My link is to another Nazi hater, like me.
No hardly, read it see its author is a Muslim, know his intellect is unchallenged.
But for some, he is a racist.
Lady,s do me this favor, know I respect each and every one of you.
Not because you are female but because each of you, time and again have earned that respect, here in OLO.
BUT that line, the one inferring we men are prone to ganging up on your under dogs the Muslims in this case.
We through out history have been the ones standing between women and such as the worst of these, UNWELCOME DIVISIVE parts of the Muslim community.
Granville Lexi, in a house a friend once lived in, see the news, petrol bombs bust in and this time, no one was killed, save your self, NEVER WALK THOSE STREETS ALONE.
Paul, mate I forgive your past niggling taunts, I can afford to.
See I vote Labor.
Your team has stepped back from a little, of its purely mad policy's.
And mate, so deeply pained am I about the current state of my party, I thought, briefly, of returning to my childhood left.
You reminded me, in your post, true left no longer exists.
A leach like wish to attach its self to ANY CAUSE has failed it.
Look mate at the victims of Islam.
Look too at the very simple truth.
NO GOD EXISTS.
Yet we let one tell us we should change.
I MUST no alternative exists, work on reforming Australia,s only reformist party, ALP, FIRST?ALP, LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE.
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 27 December 2012 11:23:48 AM
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Susie,
You know as well as me there is a vast difference between boys circumcission and FGM. What you are saying is a cop out, Piorot as well. What women could be doing is lobbying our politicians for the laws regarding FGM to be enforced. Only now is there to be some prosecutions, in the next 2 months, relating to FGM. Previous state governments turned a blind eye because of 'cultural considerations'. Can you believe it, little girls are getting organs and flesh cut off amd governments are concerned about 'culture'. FGM affects women for their entire lives, not just the pain of having it done but later sexual problems, urinary tract infections and birthing problems.

So western women, and men, could lobby for law enforcement about FGM.

Belly,
While predominately a cultural practice by muslims, it is not exclusively so. Some other non muslims also practice FGM and with the more recent influx of African refugees, some FGM victims may well be non muslim.

Susie,
I would not put a blanket ban on muslims, but the groups I would exclude from immigration are predominately muslim.

Firstly the Croats and Serbs, because of hatred and fighting each other for 3 generations here. Next those groups that practice FGM, no Aussie girl should suffer that. Then Leb muslims because of their contempt for our laws and anti social conduct. All Sri Lankans because of fighting each other on apparent ethnic grounds. Then some African groups because of anti social conduct. That would do for starters, as i think it is the continued new influx of these groups that refresh their alien cultural ways.

I would keep a close eye on others and exclude more groups as necessary for community cohesion. No point in making a bigger problem than what we presently have.
Posted by Banjo, Thursday, 27 December 2012 12:04:36 PM
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Dear Banjo,

I notice that in all your exclusions you haven't made any mention
of groups of British and Celtic backgrounds who are also
trouble-makers. Is that because your notion of nationhood is
seen as incompatible with diversity? It seems that you regard
minority cultures as alien and a threat to social cohesion.

These sort of attitudes were common at the end of the
nineteenth century. They're no longer
acceptable to most people one hundred years later.

As another poster stated earlier - there are good and bad
people among each and every group - why only exclude
certain ones and not others.
Posted by Lexi, Thursday, 27 December 2012 1:22:40 PM
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Lexi,
Point out the problem immigrants that i have missed and if they are problems I will add them to the list.

I want a far lower immigration rate and it makles sense to exclude the troublemakers first. Don't care who or what they are.

Let me see the groups you talk about and their history here.

Their are some Asian groups that continue to hold cockfights, could exclude them. I also think there are groups that practice forced marriages, but it is kept quiet and there are no stats available, I wouldn't mind excluding them.
Posted by Banjo, Thursday, 27 December 2012 1:45:57 PM
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Lexi,
Maybe you are thinking of the 'Barmy Army' that come when the Poms are playing cricket. They are harmless and as tourist already have return tickets, we are tolerant and can put up with them for a couple of months.

Funny thing, there are more Buddists here than muslims but they never seem to cause trouble, and we do not get trouble from Non muslim lebanese.

Maybe we could limit the number of Kiwis that now come here at will.
Posted by Banjo, Thursday, 27 December 2012 1:58:17 PM
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