Obviously AFAI is a single spokesperson and crusader for atheism on these threads for the doctrine of peace, while he conflicts aggressively with all who disagree with him. As he believes that his ideas for peace, motives, attitudes and actions are merely imaginings that occur in his mind and have no substance in reality.

He says,”They are a reflection of the mind’s experience through the senses and genetic proclivities. Dogs have those attributes. What is your point?” Posted by Atheist Foundation of Australia Inc, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 8:52:53 AM

So who is the real David? Is it His physical body or his sensory impact on the spiritual?
However his children and grandchildren on his demise will they only speak of the science and bio-function of his body as that in his view is his only reality. NOT Likely! They will rather speak of his character, his attitudes toward theists, his obsessive actions to have theism removed from society as did the Gestapo in the USSR. That he was an intolerant advocate of atheism, which he deluded, believed was a peaceful solution to the World’s problems as does atheists in North Korea

Josephus,

Excuse my language but you really are thick as a brick, aren't you. It is almost like you are intentionally writing drivel just to get a reaction. I wish that was the case, but sadly I think you are the genuine article as oxymoronic is that description. That you are not embarrassed by your outlandish comments is something else, because if you had a grip on reality you would be, and in a big time manner. In typical zealous style nothing is read or absorbed or argued against or commented on with there being just a selective process in scouring through opponents posts looking for anything at all to be disparaging about. There is no understanding of arguments against your own case with limited one-sided knowledge shot out of an unthinking mind in robotic fashion. When your cognitive dissidence levels rise it produces totally nonsensical cringe-worthy statements such as your last post on which I will not spend too much time.

“Obviously AFAI is a single spokesperson and crusader for atheism on these threads for the doctrine of peace, while he conflicts aggressively with all who disagree with him.”

Translation: David is an effective communicator who has already disputed the “doctrine of peace” nonsense and aggression is a word thrown in because of lack of ideas.

“As he believes that his ideas for peace, motives, attitudes and actions are merely imaginings that occur in his mind and have no substance in reality.”

Translation: This is what is wanted to be believed
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“So who is the real David? Is it His physical body or his sensory impact on the spiritual?”

Translation: Gibberish wrapped up as gibberish.

“They will rather speak of his character, his attitudes toward theists, his obsessive actions…”

Translation: He must hate theists….. mustn't he? He must be obsessive because his words make sense.

“…to have theism removed from society as did the Gestapo in the USSR.”

Translation: I can’t find where he says that but it has to be correct. And I mean Germany.

Translation of last sentence impossible. Incomprehensible.

David

David,

>>>I have no desire to lie, cheat and steal.

Whatever your desire is, how many lies would you say you've told in your life? Have you ever stolen anything regardless of its value? The wages of sin is death, and one sin earns you a death sentence. Gods standard for good isn't a relative standard like humans have. We compare ourselves to one another and say, well I haven't raped and murdered anyone so I must be pretty good. I'm certainly no Hitler! God doesn't show any partiality because His standard is absolute. What God considers good is moral perfection and everything short of that is evil.

>>>I don’t approve of tyrannical dictators.

It's unethical to be an unrepentant sinner and rebel against the God who created you because you don't want to change. A God of love died for your sins on the cross, and if it was just you, He still would have gone. A God of love offers you His hand so you can be forgiven and escape that punishment. How can you say God doesn't love you when He has offered you a pardon? Isn't it more accurate to say that you don't love God and that you prefer to live your life however you want to?

>>>You come from America and deny indoctrination.

To be secular in these United States is to be in step with the culture of this time. I went my whole life without a single person witnessing to me. The only reason I am a Christian is because God woke me up and saved me. Atheism is not only tolerated, but it is being increasingly embraced by just about every establishment and institution there is.

I am going to answer the rest of your questions in the next post and so I expect that you will give me the same courtesy and answer my questions.

I was left to come to my own conclusions regarding religion, and I was an agnostic by default. I formally held the view of an old earth and evolution but have since changed my belief to young earth creationism. Yes I had a wide knowledge base, and I read hundreds and hundreds if not thousands of books, more than a few on science and astronomy in particular.

>>>Yes, you say you have had a personal revelation. Great and good >>>for you, but others haven’t.

You have asked for proof that Jesus is God, and that proof is available, but it is something only God can reveal. He is the one who controls what you know about Him and when you know it. Would you be willing to pray a prayer and ask God to show you that the bible is His word, and then read the book of John? If not, why not?

What is your background? Are you a former Christian?

>>>childhood indoctrination

Children actually come to a belief in God naturally without being told that He is there It is evident to them that a creation requires a Creator. You want to teach children how to rebel against their creator and end up in hell, and that is monstrous David.

"But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."

Tony,

>>>He is also a crack-dealing serial arsonist.

Depravity is expressed in mankinds propensity to sin, to rebel against his Creator. The amount of sin in the world is also steadily increasing. Man wants to believe that human beings are generally good, but they are actually generally sinful. In your scenario, they are both headed to hell. One sin is enough to send you there.

>>>Is this a trick question? We are talking about torture here. >>>Surely you can answer that question for yourself.

I know it's wrong because Gods word tells us that love does no harm to its neighbor. God has an absolute standard for right and wrong, and we all know some things are absolutely right and wrong. My question is, what is your moral standard which informs you that torturing people is wrong?

>>>ut who will happily toss people into a lake of fire for eternity >>>if they don't worship him

We're all sinners who have broken his laws many, many times. If people don't want to repent and change their ways, then they have to face the penalty for their crimes. Imagine if you went into a courtroom and said "your honor..i know ive lied and cheated and stolen and murdered..but i feel really bad about it and im really sorrry. please let me go." Is that judge going to let you go? No, he is going to give you justice, and so is God. If He just let you go He would be a corrupt judge.

washed,

"My question is, what is your moral standard which informs you that torturing people is wrong?"

It's something called "empathy"...and it's a quality that is standard in humans, in fact, it's a defining human trait. One can't operate in a social context without it. (ie, "profoundly" autistic people do not display empathy)