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Merry Christmyth from the Atheist Foundation of Australia

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David, I have been answering your questions, and if there is one I missed it wasn't purposeful. On the other hand, you've been completely evasive. You make wild claims you don't (and can't) back up such as that God does not exist, and then when I call you on it, you say "no more questions!". Hah. You've also lowered the discourse by engaging in many ad homs, which if you want to talk about rationality are logical fallacies by the way. I mean look at your last replies here. You can't even go one sentence without pouring out mocking scorn and derision upon Christianity, my God, and my person. This is the fruit that atheism bears. It's a lack of virtue on your part that you hate God and Christians, and it is emotionally infantile to rant at me about it. You claim not to believe in God but you sure have a lot of feelings about Him, don't you? Strange isn't it, if He doesn't exist? In any case, I respect your beliefs and think you are a person worthy of respect and love. If you felt the same way we could have a productive conversation, but it's pretty clear that you don't. Even still, I love you anyway and so does God.
Posted by washed, Sunday, 30 December 2012 5:35:48 AM
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In regards to your hypothetical scenario, your rationality is not rational if God is real and the source all truth, and love. Your rationality, apart from God, is foolishness. You don't know what truth is apart from God, and everything you know is in some way wrong. So, when you received the staggering, mind blowing revelation that God does exist, your entire reasoning process would change. The fundamental problem I think you have is that you think you're a good person, but according to Gods laws, you're not. You're judging yourself by a relative standard against other humans but God has an absolute standard for good, which is moral perfection. He considers everything less than that to be evil. You've lied, stolen, hated, lusted..that makes you a liar, a thief, and an adulterer and murderer at heart. That's not good, is it?

You are seeing things from a rebels point of view; you don't want to conform to Gods laws so you're drowning in excuses. The truth is that no one will have any excuse. Your accusation of God being unfair is just not true. He gives everyone ample opportunity to avoid hell, and if they end up there, it's their own fault. In the same way, you are slapping His hand away and then you cry out that He is unfair. It's your ways that aren't fair, not His.

Let's go back to the basics, what I was trying to tell in the beginning of our conversation. God gives personal revelation. If you want to know God, you have to ask Him to reveal Himself to you. He isn't going to force the door open, but He will keep knocking on it. It's up to you to open it. I asked you if you would simply ask God to reveal if the bible is His word, and then read the book of John. If you're not willing to do that, explain why?
Posted by washed, Sunday, 30 December 2012 5:38:43 AM
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washed,

1. Prove your god exists to rational people right now.

2. Cite studies in peer reviewed accredited scientific journals disproving the theory of evolution by creationists.

David
Posted by Atheist Foundation of Australia Inc, Sunday, 30 December 2012 6:32:27 AM
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Atheist Foundation of Australia Inc, because you put God in the same category as "I now believe in the sky-fairy ". This indicates you do not understand or recognise a spiritual reality to life that is not defined by your definition of science.

Define for yourself what is your motive, what intelligent and emotional contribution your having lived has made to the benefits of family and society? What is the scientific reality of your character, is it worthy of extolling as worthy of emulating?

These are spiritual reality of which you do not recognise that have reality because they cannot be tested in a tube, yet they are the reality of you. Your ideas have reality here, they are more than shapes on a page, they express who you are in reality. God is relevant in this area of reality; he is not physical but just as real because he is the creator Spirit and not the created.
Posted by Josephus, Sunday, 30 December 2012 1:47:33 PM
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Josephus,

I have explained my position many time and why I hold it. If you don't want to acknowledge that, fine. If you want to live in a cocoon of fantasy, fine also.

What is not fine is indoctrinating children with unproven supernatural fears and promises as though they have supporting evidence.

Apart from that being ethically obnoxious, those children grow into voting adults and then have the propensity to make bad societal decisions either as voters or parliamentarians.

But of course, as long as you feel secure with your sky daddy, you just don't care.

"What is the scientific reality of your character, is it worthy of extolling as worthy of emulating?"

Yes indeed it is; it's known as critical thinking. Don't leave home without it. (I must stop using the same catch phrase as appropriate as it is)

David
Posted by Atheist Foundation of Australia Inc, Sunday, 30 December 2012 2:44:46 PM
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Atheist Foundation of Australia Inc,
Again you show your antagonistic attitude and unintelligent understanding of how we believe God is revealed, by this nonsense. "But of course, as long as you feel secure with your sky daddy".

Obviousy unable to use critical analysis of our terms. God is not in the sky as some sort of spatial being. Obviously you are blind to a reality beyond your capacity to grasp; as you imagine we believe God to be in the sky. God is Spirit.
Posted by Josephus, Sunday, 30 December 2012 5:14:50 PM
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