onthebeach,

Having trouble reading I see. “If and when” seems to have missed your notice.

People can make all kinds of statements and propositions that will never get anywhere except in the minds of the paranoid. The AFA has far too much to do with Christianity which is a problem in politics to make serious comment on the fantasies of various clerics.

If Australian politics is threatened by any religion the AFA will react accordingly.

If you think we should be hindering free speech of a few radicals then you don’t understand what freedom of speech and expression is all about. In fact you are the same as those you target.

I suppose you know the AFA engaged in debate about the Muslim religion at the University of Western Sydney where we were totally outnumbered by rather angry Muslims about a year ago.

These strawman arguments get very tiresome.

No one is asking you to take notice of Australian politics or do anything about the inequity resulting from it, but others take a more responsible view.

What is seen as offensive up against actual control by religion in politics is a no brainer for the astute.

David

David gives no ideas how an atheist society would work. His view is not a positive vision for Australia, just a negative protest against honourable people.

How does he remove children from religious indoctrination. Does his society remove them from their parents? The USSR tried this and where are they today? His social plan would only work if children are removed from parental influences, and be indoctrinated in atheism, as much as he tries to deny such. Another Atheist Socialist agenda, where children are asked to spy on parents to the atheist State. Christians believe in freedom of belief, and speech; unlike atheists with a totalitarian world view. In a totalitarian State the minority are victimised not accomodated.

It would be interesting to know how he treats his children.

mhaze.

I should have put a link to the Islam encounter at the University of Western Sydney by the AFA. Here it is.

http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/forums/showthread.php?t=7142

Josephus,

Read the thread and stop making a complete dork of yourself.

David

David shows embrasment that he has no answeres for a diverse society. He outlaws a creative artistic immagination of spirituality, and prefers a straigh laced society governed in thought by current views of pure physical science.

He is not able to tell us how he relates to his own children. Yet he wants to control others children, and remove them from faith. He if had the chance believes in a totalitarian State, with thought (belief) control.

Josephus,

I know who should be embarrassed and it isn’t me. Why are you so imprisoned by your views that even looking at the thread is beyond your capability?

Having to repeat myself continually with you and a few others only helps demonstrate that religion has been of little help so some.

If you did read the words you would find atheism is accepting there probably is no god. Not a Gulag in sight with that. Not a hint at a totalitarian state. No indoctrination either. Or have you some evidence to back your wild claims. Is there a secret atheist agenda that only you and a select few other know about? Share the secret with the rest of us.

It is the various god systems on the planet that are the closest to the definition of a totalitarian state. The best protection against such ideas is where church and state are separated by the Jefferson ‘wall’.

Australia is nowhere near such a dismal political system but in effect it acts similarly towards various groups of people by controlling their lives (or deaths) against the empirical evidence and against un-interfered with normal human empathy and compassion.

It is religion that is controlling children’s thoughts with some ensuing adults making political decisions with those warped ideas to the detriment of others.

Stop making vague accusations and support them with evidence. It is the easy way of non-thinking to parrot the opinions of others who have influenced you. Why not try thinking for yourself.

Now, when you have read this post, think about the ideas in it and respond to them. The psycho-rant you exhibit is not that attractive. It is also totally uninformative except in cementing the idea that religion in the wrong hands is a very dangerous notion.

David

David,
Obviously you do not understand the human psyche which is controlled by beliefs, and atheism is a belief otherwise you would not defend it as the only true opinion. Atheism in the hands of some has proved equally as destructive to human society as has some religions. Neither in those cases has given human society peace and personal security.

Your obsession with the minds of children influenced by their parents choice, who are the primary teachers of children's opinions and beliefs. This indicates you are not happy with parents who choose to give their children beliefs of Christian faith.

Do your children have exposure to ideas of faith, or do you insist they must believe as yourself?

If so you are totalitarian in your control of your children. I have taught my and other children and they have been exposed to science at school and university and the views of Russell and Hawking and others. They got atheism thrust into them by some lecturers at University.

Your dislike of the idea of God indicates there is a deeper personal issue in your life than religion in general, and Christ in particular. Calling him a myth.