Rechtub if you read others posts, you will have seen from my first post, my views are the same as yours however not as harsh.
I could, probably should, but will not, go back to your post history and let it do the talking.
You know I am far from your only detractor.
You seem fixed in the views I oppose for life.
INDIVIDUAL, YOU HAVE FAR TOO MUCH FRONT.
AND NOTHING TO BACK IT UP, CONSTANTLY CLASHING WITH any one who thinks,clearly, you do not think that is.
This thread was NEVER ABOUT ALP OR LIBERALS.
It was to be about tax reform.
Mate only rechtubs challenge I was running away bought me back, not your bleating.
Now reconsider your last few posts here, would you, after expressing your views about me,except me telling you a truth?
Your next original thought will be your first.
However do not sit around waiting for it. it may never come.

Belly, I accept that you also see unwanted waste, I also see you care about welfare waste.

My argument is simp,y that we must first stop the waste, before finding ways to produce more to waste.

As for welfare reform, particularly, quarantining, is something we will agree to disagree on.

However, any form of tax reform taking place now, is in desperation to fund the illegals debacle, without taking an axe to the likes of health and education.

I am all for tax reform, especially if it means this dodging tax now, have to pay, but, not until we stop the waste.

Reform usually to change for the better. So, if we want Tax reform it'll need to be better than what we have presently. Does better also mean fair ? Well, fair for whom ? I honestly believe I'm paying already my share so for me a reform which advocates paying more tax is absurd. Just as absurd as those who pay very little percentage in tax because they can claim or write off expenses. expenses most ordinary folk have too but write off albeit on a scale far more humble. I have witnessed contractors writing off fuel which went into their boats for fishing trips & not into their trucks/machinery. I see bureaucrats claiming expenses which are made up purely of imagination or rather bull$hit. This is what needs to stop. We let Dentists write off expense after expense only to have to wait 2 years to get an appointment. Much better to use medicare to pay for airfares to the Philipines to see a dentist at a moment's notice for a quarter of the cost.
Yes we need Tax reform & we need it desperately & pay less for it. A TT or FT would do fine for a start.

Belly,

Simply adding new taxes on top of old taxes is not reform.

P.S. Juliar also has a higher disapproval rating than the carbon tax, and anyone placing money on your nose would have lost it all.

I can only hope two of the three posters above have not bothered to read my posts, Shadow Minister is beyond hope.
If that is not the case, they, all three to some extent can not grasp my meaning.
From post one, and my intention before posting the thread, is my thought waste and other reforms go hand in hand with any tax reform.
We learn, if we wish to, from the combative anti Labor replies.
Remember, those who cover up issues within their own side, those who willingly target any thing on the other benches, even if untrue.
Feed wrongs such as NSW Labor did and never serve in truth their party.
Improvement comes only after the understanding problems exist.
SOME seem to think every thing is a Labor plot.
SOME too see Tony Abbott as a savior,Howard like.
Tax reform is universal, it is needed by both sides and us all.
My scheme said cutting for some, to help raise GST as a fairer tax .
It calls for some taxes to be abolished.
And the retrieval of tax from tax avoiding high income earners, offshore tax avoidance systems and much more.
For the first time in Gillards reign, I see her having a very real chance of winning an election, true, crying wolf is sickening more and more Australians.
And the bleating here is symptomatic of not average views, but fixed and blind red neck right, and those unable to think clearly, ,honestly, on any issue.

I am beginning to see why many people don't persist with OLO. The level of debate inevitably deteriates.

Tax reform or no tax reform, the result from either alternative at the moment will be the same.

What we are slowly seeing here is the death of capitalism and an increasing shift towards socialism. Just look at the results in the US. Much of their campaign was focussed arround exactly that issue.

For gen x, I hope for your sake that you are happy with the class, socio-economic status, whatever you want to call it. Because you will have little hope in the near future of transcending it. The time for the entrepeneur is nearing its end.