ManofTheLand I did say at times we would differ.
It has to be the case,while distraught at Labors current path, I basically look for a return to our past, not so far back, ways.
Capitalism is our only way, it supports in this country all our welfare and aid all that we value.
Socialism was a good idea but never in truth can it work.
Reward for effort is the best driver
While socialism is still on Labors platform it is mostly ignored.
My purpose was to say, clearly, we waste too much on WELFARE.
Thread after thread I started, asking for welfare reform sees me bombarded.
The extremists on both sides scream the most.
BUT reserving SOME government, local for sure, for unemployed has merit.
And we must stop paying folk to sit down.
Remember when drainage on country roads got cleaned, weeds sprayed dangerous trees felled?
Could we have crews cleaning trees from rivers and making a national camp sites short stay trail.
I understand you views.
But look from my eyes, if I leave the site has one less voice from center or Labor right.
I am constantly of late considering just that.
You bought a fresh voice here, I value your contributions, take me on if you do not agree,we can still be mates.
This thread had no chance, should have known that, tax reform could be good for most, but it became politics only.
I admit, my point about no tax except a much higher GST for lower income earners, is socialism, or is it another way of lowering our need to pay welfare?
And if we continue to pay middle and high income earners welfare we are quite stupid.

Belly....And if we continue to pay middle and high income earners welfare we are quite stupid

You do realize that only 58% of the workforce, picks up the slack, and pays ALL the bills.

Surely you don't deny them getting something back for their much needed, much relied upon, efforts.

One huge problem in this country is that too many are expected to contribute, knowing full well they will get nothing for their efforts.

Rechtub your own words convict you.
It is you, who in thread after threat target welfare.
High wages, waste, yet you wish to leave high and middle class welfare untouched.
Why YOU lurch in to me, in this thread, about welfare waste.
Bloke I staggered in to your post history, not to retrieve it to blacked you.
But to remind me how often you target me.
Have fun.

The worst, and most expensive welfare of all, is CORPORATE welfare ..... the coalition likes to take care of it's own.

DiamondPete,
So you don't mind our tax dollars being unaccountably thrown at Government welfare (remember it's our money) but you object to corporations which, unlike Governments, actually create wealth, using the money they make from their initiative on themselves ?
Don't you believe in reward for effort ? Are you one of Belly's union deciples who don't mind getting benefits for no extra effort but complain when those who perform get some reward ?
I really do think you're a weird mob you Labor voters.

I is unfortunate that we here swap insults not facts.
Too that folk leave the forum because of this.
Again that such as MOTL tell us so.
I agree.
What however are the alternatives?
Are some thoughts better not said?
Are some things better not talked about.
I think not.
How else would we know Individual is a policy and understanding free zone?
We could have looked, but lets be honest had no effect, at tax reforms, by any or both party,s.
But leaping blindly to the view it was about a party, in Rechtubs case, about wasting by , in my view having welfare at all.
We return to head butting.
I can not win this, Indy has had a lifetime of practice, hard of head devoid of thought, I can make no impression on his dark world views.
I concede defeat.