Yabby, I had not realised that the shipment would be FOB.
I had presumed because of sheep dying on the way it would be delivered count.
Would Bahrain have deducted the cost from the next shipment ?

They could have taken them to Somalia and just given them to the people there.
Probably they were concerned about pirates.

*They could have taken them to Somalia and just given them to the people there.*

Well no Bazz, they could not. This is what so many people don't
understand. The trade is highly regulated. Animals can only go to
ESCAS approved facilities, for animal welfare reasons. Exporters
are responsible for their welfare, up to the point of slaughter.

If they had given them away to the people there, they would have
lost their export license immediately.

This is where we face a problem. People like AA and even the RSPCA
will not acknowledge one single point about how animal welfare has
improved over time. They see it as black and white. Yet we can
show that under ESCAS there have been massive investments in modern
slaughter facilities, both in Indonesia and the ME. 10% of cattle used
to have stun guns used before, now its 80-90% in Indonesia. That
is real progress and Asian/African animals benefit too! So we are in fact
making a difference that would not happen if Australia ceased live
exports tomorrow.

But this is the problem with this debate. It is quite complex, as
I first pointed out. To really be informed, you need to do your
homework. But your suburban housewife watches a bit of telly,
reads some stuff on Facebook, goes to the AA website where she is
encouraged to ring her local MP and is even given the number and
you have a storm of uninformed people involved, all passionate and
meaning well, but bascially being sucked in by a bunch of vegans
who would prefer all livestock farming to end.

So my point is that we need qualified and informed people to
understand this industry and pass judgement, not some green
politician who knows nothing about the industry.

Quarantine is nothing new. we quarantine all the time on AU soil.
To dump these sheep on Pakistan is dumb. Excuse my ignorance.
What happened there is not trivial as some would believe.
If the country is that lawless why bother with them.
Better to find an idea of processing these sheep here.
Excuse my ignorance.

All OK Yabby, the requirement for ESCAS reminds me of something said
on 4 Corners, about Pakistan not being approved, although it had an
application in but the approval had not yet been completed, but would be approved.
That was used to decide on sending them to Pakistan.

Well no 579, we don't bring in sheep on boats through quarantine.
It is illegal. Sheep genetics coming to Australia are brought in
as frozen embryos. So the sheep can't come back to Australia.
That is the law.

The sheep were not dumped on Pakistan. They were going to an
ESCAS approved slaughter facility. They carried no notifyable
diseases, as was later shown when they were tested at the world's
top laboratory in England.

The fact that the courts and the judical system simply don't matter
in Pakistan, only became apparent as the case unfolded. That will
have various trade and diplomatic ramifications.

Yes, more could be done. Like our Govt fight to break down trade
barriers which exist against Australian lamb and mutton in many
countries. Now that would be something useful, rather than swanning
around at the UN, spending millions to gain a temporary seat.

Fact is if the markets arn't open to accept our product, it can't
be produced here. Once again 579, without that pesky customer
willing to buy and able to buy without legal restrictions, you
don't have a business.

All the experts in the world cannot change what went on, so explain that to the people of AU.