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Live Export Debacle

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I would be delighted TPP if the bridge only went half way but the march all the way.
These sheep went to another Arabic country, it lied and refused to except them,Politics?
Pakistan, a failed nation did much the same lying comes easy in such places, payback for that movie? want to bet against it?
The true LEFT, do they exist any more.
1.000 honor killings in Pakistan THIS YEAR.
Murders of wifes with machine guns.
Forced child weddings EVEN HERE FGM here!
An the left sqark about sheep?
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 7 November 2012 1:09:47 PM
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579, there are is this little pesky problem called customers. They
make choices. If they don't want your boxed product, then they won't
buy it. No wonder you were working out the back of the meat works
rather than running the place.

Just like this year for Eid, sheep, goats, camels etc that were
sacrifised by the millions, came from Sudan, Somalia and up to 500$
a head was paid for sheep.

Earlier this year we had exactly that problem at a meatworks which
I supply. They were working 3 days a week as they had no customers
for meat, at a price where they could meet their costs yet still pay
the grower an acceptable price. Meat from NZ was being dumped on the
market, cutting them out.

Banjo, it is against our quarantine rules to bring sheep back to
Australia. These ships operate in areas of the world which have
various diseases, so any sheep loaded only go one way.

Live sheep ships already have plenty of labour onboard, so knocking
off 20'000 sheep would not take long. Its much like a conveyor
operating in meatworks on a V, sheep are shot and then fed into a
mincer, which makes instant fish food.

The issue here, when political stand offs happen is not money, but
animal welfare. Wellard did nothing wrong btw. Scabby Mouth is a
common disease and is not notifyable. The fact that Bahrain rejected
the sheep was also public information and in the press. So they were
hardly conceiling things that were already published in the press.

To their credit, Wellard have been leaders in improving animal
welfare in the live trade, unlike some other operators.
Posted by Yabby, Wednesday, 7 November 2012 2:27:13 PM
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“Close the live trade and the law of unintended consequences will make
your head spin. The animal welfare issues created would cause far
more animals welfare issues than you could imagine, right here in
Australia.”

Like what Yabby? If live trade was made illegal what would happen here?

“But it would not be on your tv screen, just like wild
dogs in Australia ripping livestock to bits is not on your tv screen,
so you don't care about it happening under your noses.”

You are correct, if we don’t know something is happening it’s difficult to
care about. What freakin wild dogs, I thought they were an African
species?

“Thirdly ESCAS has indeed made a dramatic difference in how
Australian livestock land up overseas. No more Aussie sheep were
slaughtered for Eid this year, the Arabs bought them from Somalia,
Sudan etc, paying up to 500$ a head for them. “

Are your thoughts along the lines of – someone is doing it and making
money, might as well be us - ?

Hey Belly, I didn’t even know where the bridge was but Crackup was wondering where the outcry was from animal libbers and stuff and I’ve seen it all over the place on facebook. Heaps, tons.. very graphic over there. Over 55k “Likes” on the Animals Australia page so far.
Posted by The Pied Piper, Wednesday, 7 November 2012 3:00:15 PM
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Yabby Customers, If they will not take boxed meat, the export may become doomed. If they insist on live sheep, so they can murder them, the export may become doomed.
So where is the compromise.
Posted by 579, Wednesday, 7 November 2012 3:10:54 PM
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Yabby,
I was thinking about when the sheep were rejected in Bahrain before being unloaded, but I suppose the ship just being in the port would breach our quarantine requirements. The only alternative I can see is for our customers to have their own, or approved, inspectors here to inspect before leaving, Bit like Halal inspectors at our abbittors.

G,Day TPP, good to see you posting again. Do you still have those pet ells? Your the only girl I know with pet ells. I stll cannot fathom how they get past dams, like Warragamba, on our eastern rivers.

Plenty wild dogs here. Dingos and crosses. Some areas employ full time trappers because they kill so many sheep. People have been attacked and you may recall the case of Lindy Chamberlain where a dingo took her baby from a tent.
Posted by Banjo, Wednesday, 7 November 2012 3:36:41 PM
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TPP My friend please forgive, noway I was having a shot at you.
Yabby has an understanding of this issue, so do I.
We he and me, others too have suffered at the hands of animal welfare types here.
A refusal to see any side but their own and abusive tactics that left a bad taste.
What took place with these sheep, from first destination to death, may well have been aimed at securing BRIBES.
Or my early thought pay back.
No one here is other than disgusted by the primitive killings, the dirty tactics of those behind it.
But these radical vegans, they should hang their heads in shame.
Pakistan does nothing about honor killings.
Every terrified bride about to be murdered has every right to ask
*am I less than a sheep*
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 7 November 2012 4:13:10 PM
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