Jayb

'Runner: 'Who was it who set up the rape camps in Bosnia? It was the Christians you clown. '

Ok joker which tennet of faith are the followers of Christ using here?

Some are a bit slow to get it. I would of thought you would know better Jayb.

Dear Diamondpete,

I agree. In fact there is little to distinguish between the levels of intolerance shown by the thuggish elements in the crowd over the weekend and the likes of characters as Jayb.

Hatred and intolerance need to be exposed and challenged at every opportunity. We need to be vigilant in recognising the toxic mix of fundamental religion combining with American gang culture, but also about recognising fear and hate mongers attempting to wrap themselves up in our flag.

Dear kactuz,

Do we really need to roll out the early marriage caper again?

Here is a picture of Isabella marrying Richard II when she was six, more than half a millennia after Aisha.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Isabela_richard2.jpg

While they may be repugnant to us today these marriages were done as a matter of course to combine families and extend influence. Why are you so fixated on it?

Dear runner,

You might get Jayb to explain others on the list of Christian organisations like the KKK on more topically Joseph Kony.

Kony is a premillennialist steeped in Christian end times theology.

“Kony believes in the literal protection provided by a cross symbol and tells his child soldiers a cross on their chest drawn in oil will protect them from bullets.”

“Kony insists that he and the Lord's Resistance Army are fighting for the Ten Commandments. He defends his actions: "Is it bad? It is not against human rights. And that commandment was not given by Joseph. It was not given by LRA. No, those commandments were given by God."”

“According to Francis Ongom, a former LRA officer who defected, Kony "has found Bible justifications for killing witches, for killing [those who farm or eat] pigs because of the story of the Gadarene swine, and for killing [other] people because God did the same with Noah's flood andSodom and Gomorrah."”

Are you a premillennialist runner?

http://islamcommentaries.com/prayers.htm
I wish to asure every one who looks at this link not all Muslims think like this.
Just their Holly men preaching from the holly places.
Takes courage to read, but informative.
And it is today not hundreds of years ago csteele

Runner,

Yes, the Serbs(whiteish Europeans), did kill as many darker- featured,Bosnian(muslim Europeans), men and boys as they could, because these are the future potential territorial warriors, who could ultimately wrest control of those areas from Serbian control. I am not saying it is not horrific,(don't shoot the messenger), I am just saying that this is what territorial males do,(across every species), kill or drive off potential male threats to territorial control. They most often rape all the women they can because this intergrates the bloodline and so avoids territorial future civil wars. Not that the men are consciously aware of this as they commit the atrocity, they are just following their biological territorial instinctive programming to impregnate as many females as they can. Sorry, blame biological programming not me.

The whitish Europeans(Serbs) had the same done to them in earlier centuries in Europe, they were nearly wiped out by the Islamic forces that overran Europe at different times.(the Ottoman Empire for one). No doubt suffering similar violence and rape.
Gradually the white Europeans, (like Putin, the Germans the Serbs etc)
as the centuries past, re-established themselves and control of major territories once again in Europe.

These wars like the Bosnian war haven't just happened recently, they have been being fought across Europe between tribes for centuries.

Have a look at the Chechnya war in Russia, between the white Russians(predomiantly Christian)and the darker-featured muslim Chechnyans, who want a Separate state free from Russian rule. And Putins people, who do not want to surrender what they see as Russian territory to the Islamists. Journalists in Russia who report truthfully on Putins crackdown on the Chechnyan situation are killed.

We need to study these wars from away back in time to get a full picture of the neverending tribal wars across Europe.
See the whole history of them.

CS, Roll out anything you want. If it is evil, I will condemn it. Period. Richard marrying Isabella at that age is wrong. Got that? Bad. Bad. Bad. I can, will and have condemned colonialists, slavers, exploiters, crusaders, soldiers, Americans, British, Aussies, Muslims, David, Peter, Paul and Mary, Bush, and BugsBunny for vile actions. For me, good and evil are absolute, with little gray area.

That “others did it, too” doesn’t work with me. I have no problem condemning evil. Good people do not have separate values for A and B, good for me, bad for ye.

Now let’s talk about Muslims and their values.

Case 1. Quote: Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas: A blind man had a slave-mother who abused the Prophet…. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet was informed about it… Thereupon the Prophet said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood. (Abu-Dawud, Book 38: 4348)

Case 2. Quote: We went out with Allah's Messenger on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives… So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (coitus-interruptus). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrect will be born (Sahih Muslim, Book 8: 3371)

Got that? Murder and rape. Now do you think that Muslims will condemn Mohammed for his evil deeds? Good luck, I have asked about this dozens of times, but evidently it is a very complex moral questions and Muslims can’t figure out if these are really evil.

By the way, will you and Diamond condemn this evil man for these actions

csteel: Hatred and intolerance need to be exposed and challenged at every opportunity. We need to be vigilant in recognising the toxic mix of fundamental religion combining with American gang culture, but also about recognising fear and hate mongers attempting to wrap themselves up in our flag.

You mean, "Us", the people that are challenging the racial hatred of the Islamists.

I don't hate anybody. I don't have a religion, not even athiest. I do regognise the Christian Teliban as being just as evil as the Islamic Teliban. Yes Kony & all his associated type are evil & I do condem them as well. Fear, yes I am afraid & you should be also.

My bet. You havent watched any of the youtube videos I posted & you win't will you. Same excuse as you gave before & No guts. These are the people you support against,"us".