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Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 17 September 2012 11:16:34 PM
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"Some" of you people seem incapable of understanding that the VAST majority of Muslims worldwide, and in Australia, are NOT Muslim fundamentalists.
Until very recent centuries, fundamentalist Christianity was just as evil and cruel and violent and controlling as fundamentalist Islam. It took fundamentalist Christianity several hundred years to transform itself and become more civilised. Traditional fundamentalist Muslim regions, by chance, were originally not part of the industrial revolution, and thus missed out on the benefits of a MUCH better and freer life over the past several hundred years. It took us hundreds of years to free ourselves from fundamentalist Christianity, and we can't expect fundamentalist Muslim regions to do in decades what took us hundreds of years. Most Muslims in fundamentalist regions have fundamentalism FORCED on them. Most of them utterly despise and detest ancient Sharia law .... it's hard for a person to object or speak out when you're faced with the point of a gun, the end of the whip and daily, rigid control. The VAST majority of worldwide Muslims in all free countries, are EXACTLY the same as anyone else in their countries, except they are Muslims, and they hold many diverse opinions on all subjects .... just like the Christians, atheists, Jews, Buddhists, agnostics etc in the same countries. The ignorant amongst us love to demonise Muslims in general, based on the actions of a tiny, fundamentalist Muslim minority. Typical Aussie paranoia. Yep, we get this paranoia with EVERY generation .... anti Greeks, then anti Italian, anti Arab, then anti Oriental, then anti African, now anti anything remotely Muslim. Luckily "most" Aussies are not like this, and have more brains, more maturity, more intelligence and more humanity. Posted by DiamondPete, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 12:59:48 AM
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Diamond,
It may be a "tiny, fundamentalist Muslim minority" that does this, but they do it with the board consent of the majority. Look at Islamic societies, if you have doubts. And it is not forced, it is part of their culture. From their mother's milk, the hatred is fed to them, they go from holding "behead signs" to sermons about evil infidels to riots in the streets and some go on to do just what Quran 9:111 tells them to do. Look it up! Tell me, Diamond, have you ever sat down with a Muslim and asked them about the hate and anger in the Quran? Have you ever asked a Muslim to justify (or apologize for ...) the attacks and murders Mohammad did on innocent peaceful people? I have, and I cannot get a straight, simple answer. It seems that Muslims have no notion of morality as we understand it; and that if Mohammad did it (murder, torture, rape, plunder, killing, etc.) it can't really be condemned, only excused or ignored. And these are Muslims in the West, the ones you say are "EXACTLY the same as anyone else". Sure they care, except that Christians, atheists, Jews, Buddhists, agnostics will condemn murder of innocents, rape, torture and enslavement of men women and children, no matter who does it. Try to get a Muslim to condemn these actions when done by their dear prophet, their great moral example if they want to get to paradise (that is directly from the Quran, in case you don't know). Oh, by the way, the Quran permits murder, rape of captives, plunder and slavery. As to torture, it even gives specific hints on how to do it. Stop making excuses for ignorance and evil. Where do you think the people who make the stupid video got their material, duhh? Posted by kactuz, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 1:45:23 AM
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CSteele, so you were offended by this stupid video...
Fine, but please tell me if a you are offended by people that honor and love a man that did so many vile deeds? Are you offended by evil, or does it depend on who is doing the evil? Mohammed did about 50 raids on his neighbors, going out to plunder, kill, capture and enslave men women and children (raping the females, of course). This is a man that fought about a dozen battles of which only 1 1/2 were defensive (the Battle of the Trench and the Battle near Medina). Do you think it is OK for a people to pretend that these things didn't happen or that they are not significant? Are you offended by the hate and discrimination against non-Muslims in Islamic societies, or is that just "part of their culture" and move along? So you are offended by anti-Muslims videos but not the actual accounts of violence that the filmmakers use, from Islam's own sources? An old man taking a little girl from among her friends when playing with dolls to have intercourse is fine, but mentioning it in a video offends you. I think I have said enough. Posted by kactuz, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 2:04:36 AM
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/bringing-dark-ages-to-the-streets-of-sydney/story-e6frf7jo-1226476162765
Morning Kactuz, glad to see I am not the only insomniac. My link is well worth the read. The video is was always will be a childish/feeble thing of no value. Some one took the thing converted it to a weapon, from within the Muslim world? And bought it to the attention of a world uninterested. It is zero, nothing, nil, compared to the HATE generated on ten thousand anti west pages you will find if you only look. csteele? read past blind support, past references to anti Lebanese posts. Above all, with or without this film all this HATRED towards the west, is and has been building up,for centurys. At least we get now to see it, and we have been warned. We saw such warnings, and such crawling denial in the years before ww2. It is not extreme, not racist, to demand and end to importing racial and religion enclaves to our country. Remember, no way around it,we could never say such in the country's these poor unfortunate slaves of a God that is no God come from . Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 2:42:36 AM
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The post by Kactuz proves my point. There's people here who have NO concept whatsoever of the difference between violent, fundamentalist Islamic law as practiced in certain geographical locations and the remaining VAST MAJORITY of conventional Islam as practiced by Muslims in EVERY remaining country in the world. People like Kactuz "believe" fundamentalist Islam is supported by the "broad consent" of the world's Muslims. Why? ...... Too much right wing, shock jock radio? Not well read? Limited experience with "real" Muslims from all over the world? Anti religious bigotry? Readiness to believe anything that supports an already held opinion? Uneducated Aussies like this are a minority in our community.
The Christian scriptures are JUST as full of uneducated, ancient evil and violence as the horrid Quran ... a fact totally and willingly ignored by Kactuz. The riot on the weekend was utterly condemned by a huge plethora of Aussie Muslim organizations and representatives ... a fact totally and willingly ignored by Kactuz. Kactuz likes to "imply" that most Muslims support fundamentalism, because that supports his inaccurate and bigoted anti Muslim stance. Fundamentalism is condemned week after week, month after month, year after year by Aussie Muslims in Mosques, homes, schools, press releases etc etc .... it doesn't make headlines, and doesn't even get printed in the right wings press, and CERTAINLY never gets an airing by the right wing shock jocks and TV shows that people like Kactuz listen to and unquestioningly believe Most Aussies understand that Australia over the past century, and especially post WW2, has been built on racial, religious, sexual, educational, political and economic DIVERSITY. We are not a mono culture at all. The bigots want a return to the Aussie mono culture of the 1800s (when we told the blacks what to do and believe, and if they objected violently enough, we killed them). Radically anti Islamic Aussies are just as bad, dangerous, intolerant and divisive as fundamentalist Muslims. The 2 most violent religions throughout history, by FAR, have been fundamentalist Christianity and fundamentalist Islam. They have BOTH been scourges on decency, tolerance and humanity. Posted by DiamondPete, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 4:05:13 AM
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I shows that when confronted with reality the reality of a mother in Hijab taking happy snaps of her toddler holding one of those behead the unbeliever signs the "bleeding hearts" just have nothing to back their case for "tolerance", all they can do is say "Christians caused the holocaust and srebrenica!"
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