Anthonyve writes

'The science camp is saying, "Gimme the facts, Ma'am, just the facts."
Meanwhile the - can I call it, the Believer's camp, is saying, "I believe what I believe and nothing anyone says will make me believe differently."

Typical dishonesty when anyone interested in true science knows that evolution is just the story people build around facts. So full of holes and deceit that no one interested in truth could possibly swallow.

As one honest Antropologist said

'After having chided the theologian for his reliance on myth and miracle, science found itself in the uneviable position of having to create a mythology of its own: namely, the assumption that what, after long effort, could not be proved to take place today had in truth, taken place in primeval past.'

The evolution camp has only ever been able to give mythology which they have grabbed a few observations they deceitfully fit in their little fable.

The belief in a Second Coming is a belief in incompetence. A competent messiah would have got it right the first time and would not have to come back. The superstitious people of Jesus' time believed that End Times had come. The superstitious people of our time believe that End Times will come. There is nobody coming to solve our problems. If we can't solve them ourselves we will simply live with unsolved problems until we, like other species, become extinct. The only End Times are our extinction as a species. It does not help to have a cargo cult mentality in waiting for some entity from outside to provide us with what we need. I am 86. My earthly father is dead, and I do not have a heavenly Big Daddy. If all goes right my children will live on after me until they die.

Thanks for the read guys. Big day, and will take me awhile to get through it and reply to those worth replying to.

Cheers.

If (and it's a big IF) we are to hold firm that the prophecies of the 'end' are true, then the end of days in a Christian context is something to look forward to. It's a classic story of things getting worse before they get better, and when they get better it'll be a place we all want to be. Peace, prosperity, joy, happiness for those who deserve it ... almost worth the bloodshed and unhappiness that comes before. What we need to look for, though, is a dramatic shift in the status quo. A new world order, so to speak. While there are many signs that this will happen during my lifetime, the same could be said of Renaissance Man, Reformation Man, Enlightenment Man or Industrial Man. With each great upheaval, we saw a change in our thinking, a change in the way we did things and a rethinking of the role of religion in society. I suspect that is happening once again as we go about our day to day lives. Maybe this is the last time. Maybe not.

Well, I view it this way. Something has to give, we can't keep going the way we're going now.
The sooner a stop is put to the idiocy that's the norm now then the better.

I think you guys touch on it the best. It's a bit like with global warming, the debate on the cause is redundant ... even the existence of it. In the end, isn't it a good thing to strive to function better as a species? Ego gets in the road of common sense with us.

Most people here can't get past "religion" when it comes to discussion. Isn't it obvious - to me anyway - that we as a species are heading for an impasse. If we take the religious aspect of the discussion out of the equation and focus on what we are doing to ourselves and the planet it's fairly obvious that we can't continue on the way we are.

Any change that we would make to improve our standing on this planet is called enlightening ourselves. This is how the Egyptians saw it.