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2012 a year that challenges the ALP

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I am in a Quandary.
How do I reply to such an ill informed comment.
Should I?
Or should I slip away and not answer.
Debate/free speech/conversation brings this problem to the surface often.
Is it so wrong to be honest.
Or do we put the camouflage net of civility over our heads and ignore a truth?
Honesty is worth my social gaff,
Indy mate, I like you, have no idea how you came to that conclusion.
And find no value in your views, that small part I am able to understand.
Posted by Belly, Monday, 9 January 2012 5:02:33 AM
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Belly,
There is a couple I would agree with.

'Right saying sorry'. Did not achieve anything

'right GFC very right'.Surely you don't think buying US and chinese pink bats and burning about 100 homes and 4 people dieing was good. Or school halls fiasco. Or giving cash to people to waste.

'Right ending work choices'. Yes, that was ill considered move by previous government.

'Right flood levee' Unneccessary if monies not wasted on pink bats and school halls.

'right pension raises' Rises normal for government

'right plans for education reforms' What reforms? School halls?

'right tax on coal and mining' They already pay royalties on ewhat they extract. Just seen as cash cow because they are doing well at moment.

'right planned safety net income for disabled' The idea was right but could have been implemented now if money not wasted on other things, priorities wrong. Why should they have to wait 2 years

'Wrong childlike cash for clunkers it never went fuel watch grocery watch' Surely not only stuff ups you can find?

'RIGHT carbon tax' Only money raising on false pretences. Achieves nothing and badly affects our economy.

'right getting this and more while confronted by the worst conservative team in our country's history' I cannot agree, the polls show otherwise and will judge their performance after next election, when in government.

Am a bit surprized you can come up with these.
Posted by Banjo, Monday, 9 January 2012 9:13:08 AM
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Dear Belly,

There are certain people on this forum that I
really don't enjoy interacting with and prefer
not to do so. Not because they're
opinion disagrees with mine, but because their
state of debate and personal courtesy is fairly poor
(at times it's downright awful) and this climate puts
me off totally. Sometimes I am tempted to fight fire
with fire which again escalates poor manners. I often
wonder if these people would behave in this way if they
were face to face with the posters that they are debating.

Anyway, don't take things to heart. The next election
is in a few years time - and we'll see what happens
in the meantime. Positive ourcomes may silence a few of
the current critics. What really gets to me though is
that the biggest critics don't see any of the
positive outcomes that are being achieved and all they
seem to be capable of is negativity - the same as the
Opposition - with nothing positive on offer.
Perhaps that's the trend of the "old school," those
comfortable in their set idealogies - that nothing will
ever change their point of view.
Posted by Lexi, Monday, 9 January 2012 11:37:31 AM
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you must admit that the carbon tax has worked. With heaps of rain, some places not receiving much summer at all we must give credit to such as a wise Government who has been able to cool the climate.
Posted by runner, Monday, 9 January 2012 12:08:36 PM
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Lexi, I need to be honest, I know at times, I too fit that description.
I can get rude, very much so, I suffer fools no better than most honest people.
Australians always, have disliked Authority figures.
Politicians always.
Yet too, fall for the silliest of them.
Former Leader of QLD Joe was barely lucid, few knew what he was talking about, including him self.
Yet Possums gathered under his feet, quite convinced he was saying some thing they wanted to hear, he never was.
This section of OLO sees good posters leave, and moths gather around our light who are here looking for other than considered thought.
I still go to my living in a community thought.
When rumors start,no need for them to be true, crowds form to add to the run away story.
This hung Parliament, actions of every party , are doing great harm to us all.
This much is true, Labor may not have looked much good at times, made mistakes, been hijacked by factions, all true in my view.
But ANY FOCUS, on the Conservatives must result in this view.
No policy of worth not honesty and bound to have a B Double truck load of non core promises when elected.
Lexi Labor and Conservative history is about to be repeated.
Labor poorly led, is to fall ,because currently, personal matters are more important to a few than my party.
Even electoral defeat so to insure leadership dreams are to be filled.
Conservatives, if lead by NEGATIVE MAN, are headed once more for an electorate unhappy with promises not kept from a team not yet ready to rule.
Posted by Belly, Monday, 9 January 2012 3:27:32 PM
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Belly,
Again you're making statements of which you have no proof. I have proof that under Joh Queensland was a growing, improving Queensland. It was that academic ignoramus Goss & his successors who with the help of non-thinkers got in & made it what it is now, a haven for bureaucrats but unaffordable for decent people. You know those who you claim you did so much for as one of those union blokes who eventually out priced everything so much that even Tomato Sauce makers left to go across the Tasman where Joh came from.
Posted by individual, Monday, 9 January 2012 6:44:56 PM
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