Abbott surely is the worst in my lifetime.
Belly ?,
I thought you were an old bloke like me. Have you forgotten about Whitlam ?

Any one who thinks the views they hold are the only right ones, gives warning they are wrong more often than most.
Any one who , while the word limit is 350 per post,considers a one line insult is enough.
May be better served by some thought put in to posting.
Last to challenge another's right to hold views other than those you hold? a Giggle, but hardly debate.

individual you missed the context "Abbott surely is the worst in my lifetime to lead his side of the house"

Not the worst, just on his side of the house (assuming Belly meant the Coalition rather than opposition leader).

He may be one of the better opposition leaders given what it seems to take to win government now but does not leave a lot of promise that he will be a great PM.

Those who criticise his attack dog style and constant negative portrayal of what the other side is doing might do well to reflect on the fact that both sides do that when in opposition, most recently the one sided portrayal of Work Choices by Labor and the Unions. Clearly some on the margins suffered but some workers benefited from it.

Howard should not have introduced such big changes without taking it to an election, a lesson that Labor appears to have failed to learn.

The portrayal of Work Choices by Labor and the Unions was universally negative regardless of the reality. Likewise the constant claims that the Lib's would increase the rate of GST when in power and various other fabrications used to promote fear in the electorate.

It's an ugly game that I wish we could change but the prtense that Abbott's attacking of the government and it's policies is somehow playing to a different tune to that used by Labor over the years is either a deliberate falsehood or a massive piece of self delusion.

R0bert

welcome to the anti party party

we arnt a party as such..because we have no party line
[every vote is a conscience vote..made locally..decided locally
then our vote is deliverd by OUR member][BY secret ballot[except there is no secret..as all votes must be messaged in..via your free ipad like thingy]

all members get issued with
this eye pod thingy
is also all your id/passport/credit cards..[in one]

your members must have deeclared all assets
put in trust..and only use the party credit line
for all their expenditure..all travel EVERYTHING..[as long as a serving member]

we meet every day..during sitting days

i will move a motion..that sees govt sit..every other day
[when sitting]..

with the off day..online live time
web chatting to my electorate clerks]

we have syncronised
our non party/party..nomination process
its held at the *same time..*all over australia
with attendance in person..or online..IN live time

everyone votes..at the same time
on the same motion..nationally*

membership entiles..our non pary party/unionists..
with party discounts..[in the companies our union invests with..
[as decided at the our review meetings held monthly]

[if *we hold ..he shares
you*..get the discount]

*[the share is held..IN YOUR NAME..not the parties

AND you vote..on your share
not the faceless/masters running the perty/party scam

as a member..of our union non-party/party
you get free web acces...and other freebies..that matter
we insure your home car etc...at huge discount..this allows..us to be fee free[power water rates rego etc]

we are there..[here]
for you

not the..party..nor ego
nor big business/mates

[..we are here to serve you]

atherised johannnine
written by one under god

read by none
ignored by all

so much like..one hand clapping the dead snake
keep one eye..on the prize...

if the party..isnt working for you
stop working..for the party-line*

its easy
all you need is..*respect
stop serving ya mates perty lines

anyhow ..uliar has been..assured..that doing
the big bad things..first..

allows us to..swallow the few crumbs
some may get back..[just prior vote time]

[but its still my smokers/tax gift..paying for it]

whiny woman nannies...time
to call treason..what it is

rife

OUG, I think you must have finally lost it completely.

Only a fool would elect a national government on local issues. Penny wise & pound foolish comes to mind on that one. Independents are too erratic to have in the house, look at the current mess.

I would give my door keys to the local burglar long before I would allow a conscience vote to any polly. How can they vote with what they do not have.

I think you, with your ipad thing, are talking about a local referendum to decide every members vote on every bill.
Sorry mate, but with some of the dills around here, it might almost be better keeping the red witch in there.

The Red witch is at the helm, and rightfully so. 2012 will be another prosperous year, and given the current world troubles, we will again exceed, expectations. Some seem to think they are hard done by, incredible isn't it.