@Luciferase,

<< Without any solution in place, SM is correct, the 800 was reached in a short time... The agreement is open to new tranches as necessary, with Malaysia stating committment to its part of the agreement.>>

That's why Bowen NEEDS to raise the intake limit to 20,000
(it's not aspirational at all --it's dire necessity!)

With an exchange rate of 4000:800 (under the Malaysian NON-solution).
Assuming "new tranches", a 20,000 target will (barely) allow for the swap of the current inflow.

Which means, all other sources for/of "refugees" (Africa etc) will get zero allocation --UNLESS, he plans to raise the level even further!

At a table set up to resolve an issue.
Both sides sit down, and first if wise and out comes are expected.
Agree to leave the past mistakes behind.
To learn from them, not forget but look forward.
Now some, jump up and down yapping nonsense, but good leadership usually removes them from the table.
We deal with the post hight court problem.
Some claim it the Government way will not work.
But any thought gone in to that?
Any understanding.
NEGATIVE LEADERSHIP by Abbott may well be his end.
He may well fall on this issue.
Call me what you will, I think NEGATIVE understands, this will work.
And fears it doing just that.

Dear Individual,

There are lots of opinions out there regarding
illegals and what they try to do. They come by
plane not by boat. I have already
answered these questions on a previous thread
from an investigation that was undertaken under
the Freedom of Information Act by the Herald Sun
newspaper.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/taxpayers-60,000-illegal-immigrants/story-e6frf716-1226200664868

As the article points out - another misconception is that people
who arrive by boat are "illegal," immigrants. They're not illegal.
Australia is obliged to assess their claims.

Lexi,
The one and only reason we can detain the boat people is that it is illegal to enter Australia without a valid visa. Even DIAC class them as unlawfull entrants.

Try as you might to paint these con artists and gate crashers in a better light, you fail. We simply cannot and do not detain those persons that enter Auatralia legally.

Those that try to enter Aus by air, without a valid visa, are also detained.

Dear Banjo,

I am talking about boat people who ask for asylum.
Australia is obliged to assess their claims -
papers or not. People fleeing persecution often
don't have the time to get papers from a regime
which they are running from. These people are simply
running. Anyway, we've been over this previously -
so you should know what is being referred to here.
I don't care to repeat the same ground over again.
This issue is not about to go away any time soon.
It's a problem that every government is going to have
to tackle - sooner or later. We can only trust that
it will be sooner. If the Malaysian Solution will
work - perhaps as Belly says, this is what the Opposition
fears the most. It will pull the rug out from under
their constant condemnation. As I've said in the past
If the PM was to walk on water. Shadow Minister, Mr
Abbott and Co. would simply tell the media, "You see
the PM can't swim!" No pleasing some people no matter what's
achieved.

Lexi,
You are the one going over and over the same ground.

It has been pointed out many times on OLO that ALL non citizens entering Aus require a valid visa. That is what makes the boat arrivals illegal. They only become asylum seekers after they apply for asylum, but still remain illegal entrants. The UN clearly states that asylum seekers must obey a countries laws. An intention to apply for asylum does not give special rights of entry.

It seems that illegals advocates will not accept these facts, so I say again that the boat people are illegal because they have no valid visa to legally enter. That is the reason we can hold them in detention. We do not detain persons who enter legally.