Belly,
You are reading more into my posts than I have written.

Firstly, I agree that Labor needs to reform and I gave my reasons for having that opinion. Certainly views of an outsider and you can assess them as you like. I forgot to mention the situation in the seat of Cunningham a few years ago, when sussex St. imposed their man on the electorate and virtually the whole electorate rebelled and elected a green candidate. Now you would think that the hierarcy would learn from that.

As I said before, the laughable thing here is that Rudd is making the suggestions of reform. Just seeking publicity for himself for whatever reason. When looking at his record, no one could possibly believe he holds those views honestly. He is a spin king.

But then, his hypocricy is such, he may believe what he says at any given time

Dear Paul,

Here's something that may be of some interest to
you:

It's taken from Ben Eltham's article in New Matilda,
29/11/2011.

And I quote:

"History will view this government's management and
reforms positively unfortunately the conventional
wisdom is now firmly entrenched in the popular
imagination that the government has not managed the
economy well. Facts be damned.

If Australia was closer to Europe and people could
see for themselves how folks are doing in the rest
of the developed world, Swan and Co would be heroes.
But here we sit in our isolation allowing Mr Abbott
and his media megaphone mates to weave a fantasy in
which Australia Pty Ltd is on the verge of collapse.

Let's step back for a moment and have an unbiased
look at the latest Treasury figures on the health of
the Australian economy.

Unemployment is expected to peak at 5.5 per cent next
year, and remain at the level into 2013. Inflation will
be 3.25 per cent. Wages will grow at 4 percent. Consumer
spending will grow at 3 per cent, and the economy as a whole
at 3.25 per cent.

These are figures that would make finance ministers in
Europe weep. The Australian economy is growing. We're
adding jobs and keeping unemployment low, consumers are still
spending and inflation is modest. And yes, the budget will
return to surplus.

They're not quite " a beautiful set of numbers" in and of
themselves - they show however that Australian growth will
be moderate, rather than booming - but in comparison to
our northern hemisphere trading partners - they're almost
utopian. Take a look at the UK's latest economic data - it's
a tale of misery. Growth is a sickly 0.5 per cent and
falling. Unemployment is at 8.3 per cent and growing.
Inflation is at 5 per cent and Britain like the Euro area,
Japan, and the US, remains in a sea of strife. Australia
will be one of the only countries in the OECD to enjoy a
balanced budget in the near future."

Belly
"Paul I take your anger on board." Belly no anger.
"But wish to point out making silly statements inferring the greens are growing, not going." Is that a Christmas wish of yours.
"Holding Labor at gun point for traveling with the voters." Is that why Labor enjoys 30% support.
"Being wrong, is not a point of Merritt." ?
"Are you an ex member of the Socialist alliance?" No
"Sit quietly, in a corner read the greens policy's." read yes, sit quietly no.
"Tell me, do you truly think, at all?" Yes, unlike rusted on Labor voters, who vote the ALP ticket regardless. Joe Starlin could be the candidate and they would vote labor. Anyone who voted Labor in the last NSW State election, say's it all.
"Australia will buy that?" What's unpalatable today, may be desirable tomorrow.
What a site it was watching the conga line of sycophantic ALP members behind Julie when Obama was out here giving Labor their riding instructions. I expected that from the other mob, but Labor, shame

It seems that these kind of comments are still in
style for some people and of course
unsurprisingly conservatinve
commentators have been frothing at the mouth over any
apparent success that the current government achieves - be
it with the passing of legislature or the visit of the
American President. That's par for the course.
Nice try though.

Installing slipper, was a nightmare for them, Toni is today at a dry cleaners, sprucing about the pending carbon tax. More scare tactics ,even though no legislation is enacted. He must reckon people don't read papers or watch news. I do not know what he gets paid for. He is yet to say anything, or do anything.

It may appear to some I think I have all the answers.
Let me tell you I do not and I know it.
Paul we have both talked well and clashed.
So be it, both of us should not resort to hiding our views to get on with one another.
I had no intention of my words being seen as do you think at all.
I wanted to say do you at all, think the greens are growing not going.
Throwing Labors primary vote in my face, is joyful for you.
But it overlooks the two party preferred position 45%
Now the knifing of Rudd, even the need for it, has hurt Labor.
Gillard has too, but surely you are aware? Labors greatest pain, reason for lost votes is it is seen to be too close to the greens.
I as you know got little formal education.
But take pride in my addiction, to learning, falling on my face, getting it wrong but never saying other than what I think.
I think future, not this mob, green/conservation party, maybe this one under better leadership, has a roll to play.
Putting a Ministry of silly policy's unloved knee jerk ones, together is pure madness.
Hostility is ok with me but it will not make the greens mainstream.
Workers , true mates, took to me during the last NSW election.
For a time I pushed the idea of voting green rather than Labor, they construction forestry parks hate the greens.
They like me voted conservative, your charge is wrong and a reaction to not getting your own way.