Haven't time to look at all post properly now but will do later.

In meantime heres another article about same thing.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/rudd-stretches-credibility-with-his-call-for-party-reform-20111127-1o1ia.html

The point is, does anyone believe Rudd is sincere, his record shows he is loose with the truth. If I know of his spin, how do labor party insiders see it. Seems a bit of openness and straight talking would not go astray in this party. They do it to themselves, Abbott has not got to do anything!

Lexi 579 know this.
We should rejoice at the posts from the Noalition supporters.
Each is full to the very brim,with evidence they have been fooled.
Adopted Abbott's NO and sucked up his deceitful slanders.
He is history, his slanders miss truths and NO is already too written in history's hall of infamy.
Look to, true look, at the quality of the mud being hurled about, it is fantasy.
The whole thought, Idea that Labor is not in need of reform? madness.
Now my Friend, Labor Marched away from old Labor, yes it did, I thank it for that.
The 1950, 1960,s a time of living hell!
Knowing my party followed your intended path, policy's that shouted we are Labor as it was born.
Screamed our policy's are better.
And cried the day after the election after the public reminded us they had other ideas 3 more years anchored to opposition, and selling fruit not enough wanted to buy.
Greens? Lexi will be hurt, you will too, but greens are Labor, and the left of centers TROJAN HORSE.
Do not blind your self, truth is world wide both Conservatives and Labor party's must take them on.
First out green the greens take conservation back from these radicals.
Watch, do not be my ALP after its post war loss, blinded by a self contented feeling voters would clutch what they did not want to their Brest's.
But they will, without even knowing it, smash the left of center, to small never to rule groups.
See yesterdays NZ results
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Yes Kevin Rudd is trying to get the numbers to return.
I hope he gets them.
He may well have pain behind his remarks,but he sure does have truth.
Look at the idea behind this thread, the detractors of the NO team.
A bit like Peter Slipper, he was ok nothing said about him.
Then he became over night all things, really?
We see Labor slandered hourly, but talk of a much needed reform brings this reaction?
Uninformed junk!
Yes Labor must reform.
I am a refugee from my branch, but current rules stop me going to one that is brilliant, and led by young true caring.
My branch is victim, its head well respected , women especially.
old women,in the 70th nor more year of their life.
Who vote as he asks.
Put me a case together, prove to me Labor Liberal Country Nats if you must, a faction of Liberalism.
Tell me why reform change improvement is not needed.
Show me
Please, why Rudd's comment is other than true.
Banjo think for your self if Abbott gets hic cups it comes out NO NO NO

The quality of mud, is unmistakeable. Labor are making reforms to keep kids at school past year ten, toni says he is not sure about the method, it's got to be the right kids.[ Probably private school kids.]

Dear Belly,

It seems to me that the Coalition and their supporters
are slowly running out of steam - as the public gets tired
of the same old lines. There are definite
signs of extreme frustration beginning to appear -
on their part of not being
able to achieve their aims - of putting Mr Abbott in the
PM's Lodge.

The public are becoming dis-enchanted with Mr Abbott's antics.
And Mr Abbott is slowly running out of issues to condemn.

BTW what Mr Rudd stated in the
media - regarding reforming the Labor Party - made perfect
logical sense. For many years we've heard
that the party needs major reform if it is to succeed in
the future development of this nation. As for the old
war horse - Richardson -
and his views - well he gets paid a great deal and has to
support his newspaper's editorial policies. He obviously
needs the money.

Toni has failed to dislodge labor in his only role as a political leader. He will now have to fall on his sword, if he actually has one.