Yabby,

I am breaking a promise to myself coming back here.
Gertrude has never claimed to have all the "answers.

All that was asked was for AA and RSPCA National WSPA etc to meet with the only Muslim Animal Welfare Organization with a programe to faze out live exports & improve slaughter methods in Australia.

I cant see how that is so unreasonable. Why exclude the Muslim animal welfare organization why!! What is their crime- that they care about animals? That their Muslims what!
These people passed a motion in congress in 2008 to ban live exports and we walked alone.

Nobody supported it. AA and RSPCA Nation WSPA even refused to post that on their web site WHY! They have been rejected from having anything to say.

*At the same time being in charge of Halal accreditation's in Australia*
It is more a Muslim Animal welfare problem that anybodies. Without support for the Muslim Animal welfare organization program overseas accreditation WILL take over. Its big biz getter bigger-
http://www.worldhalalforum.org/main.html

While we want our animals all pre stun. HKM Muslim Animal Welfare Organization also wants to at least have what must be processed off shore done in Malaysia & Indonesia because its closer and have accreditation's co- joined for export to ME.

We do NOT want live animals going on long trips.
The contacts are there and the know how BUT so has been the interference. AA refuse to consider they might not have all the answers! leave Ammonite to post in peace Yabby!!
Kerryanne

If anyone watched the BECRUX being loaded for Indonesia last night on Channel 7 Mate they would see that most of the beef stock being exported were Braham and Buffalo. These cattle are suited for the Northern Territory because they are much more resilient. They do not give the fine cuts of beef which we are used to.

Yabby,
BTW HKM Muslim Animal Welfare Program also wants free range as much as *possible.

So thats free range, pre stunning- slaughter the rest slaughtered by stunning close as possible trip = Indonesia Malaysia.

Setting up Animal Welfare groups in all Islamic Schools. So you tell me why they should have been totally SHUNNED/ blocked rubbished for years.

Ludwig is crying about 3 months- Try years knowing a huge difference to the suffering but instead blocked at every turn.

The only thing we regret is loosing good people who love animals because they have been imop purposely mislead. People like Ammonite, and a few others.

Halal accreditation's Yabby are extremely complicated world wide and that includes Australia. So if you want to debate Gertude on that- anytime-

Oh sorry, I forgot Yabbys isn't interested. Excuse me- very sorry for a moment I thought this thread was about Indonesian plants for Halal Slaughter.

Then again even though we cop the pressure with a back lash what on earth would we know about it - we only do the accreditation's.

Silly me Yabby. I will just go crawl back under my rock with the rest of those nasty cruel Muslims.


PS BTW AA You DON'T go and blow something like the 4 corners until you have a programe to make a difference which AA did not want to know about- or you make it harder.

Next time nobody will want to do a story-- look at the farmers! If it doesn't work for farmers- it will NEVER work for animals.

Kerryanne

As the letter to 4 corners from Scott Braithewaite points out, Australia has a significant influence on the development and progress of all sorts of areas (including slaughter) in various countries. Are practices perfect or is every animal treated the way we would prefer? No, but as Scott points out there has been tremendous progress, and new and better practices are being put into place on a very regular basis. Dont be fooled into thinking that progess would have been as quick if westerners had not been involved. As a matter of practicality huge tracts of peoples in Indonesia (and other countries) are extremely impoverished. The welfare of animals is just not high on the agenda for them for obvious reasons. If we care about this at all, we need to acknowledge the changes and improvements brought about by the industry that so many are condemning.

I have no intention of continuing to post in threads the person currently calling them selves KerryAnne uses
Past confrontations with a group was never going to be other than a war.
Ammonite I disagree totally with you in this matter doubt you want trade to recommence no matter what safety is put in place.
While not every Vegan wants to control what others do, far too many do.
See you in another thread yabby and the balanced and fair posters.
This thread strongly, warns us all majority rights are under threat from the truly lost, sometimes vindictive left.

Belly,

You dont like my name- or that I might be Muslim- or that I am aware of the content of past posts. Then dont read it. This is the second time you have taken a shot at Kerryanne. I said nothing the first time but pls given i am well informed on Halal and Halal accreditation / live exports to Indonesia give me the same courtesy I have you.
Now if you dont mind belly- to everybody else - The Halal accreditation's will best best done through JAKIM and AFIS SICHMA ICCV AFIC and our WA SA branches thats us here in AU. TBO Malaysia is better positioned more modern with the ports available " better equipment than Indonesia. (MUI), will need a lot of help from AU. On sentiment its easy to say lets put it all through MU1 but on a practical basis there are so many Islands the best place to make the Halal hub leaving to ME from is Malaysia - with as much as possibly to Indonesia.
From there we export product (not Animals to ME and.
That takes organization and of course the money. We have the know how contacts and friendships but not the $. As for plants here- the $ to invite investors to build on land donated by regional councils is required. The plants in AU are to be owned by the AU public with funds coming from investors to build infrastructure. Its a win for animals and AU.

Country Gal, G,day breeder? Yep but we have to get our act together here too.What a mess- you got Brad ABA sleep at the wheel supporting (never mind) people getting a fortune doing@ to man a web site that doesn't use computers. Screaming that we! want to ban while supporting AA on their site. If it wasn't so serious it would be funny.
Scott isn't the man who put stunners in any plants. Many of us have had dealings with him in the past- not good mate.
How are you: holding up?
Cheers Kerryanne